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Good up to date Domi fit?

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Whitehound
#21 - 2013-07-31 08:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Lisara Khatam wrote:
First off, I should respond clearer the first time around. Though I might take into advice the PvE fits here.

What I'm really looking for is a PvP fit against a Proteus, since our corp has been wardecced. I know Domis are supposed to really be support ships, but I hear that neut Domis are the best for PvP.

Question though: Why an AB instead of a MWD?

Check out SardCaid's videos on Twitch. He has done several videos on solo PvP including some fights with the Dominix.

I have not watched his stream in a while and I do not think he is doing much currently, but his videos should still be around and are worth watching even when they do not contain the updated Dominix.

Why AB instead of MWD: this depends on your preference. You could go completely without a propulsion. The Dominix is a slow battleship and almost if not all sub-cap ships will be faster. An MWD is then no good for winning chases, but it is still fast enough to get back to a gate for example and to make use of timers. An AB then uses less CPU/PG and needs less cap (and also does not alter the signature, but this is often irrelevant for a battleship). When you get tackled will neither make much of a difference.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#22 - 2013-07-31 14:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
When talking about PvE, an extra AB on a MJD Domi serves as a way to mitigate some of the incoming damage via close orbiting. This gives us the opportunity to use a 3 slot armor tank, thus enabling a fourth damage module for our drones.

It also functions well (not as well as a MWD though) as a propulsion module for ppl that are not efficient enough with MJD triangulation, or want to boost up their mission turnaround times when running multi-room missions..

For PvP, using an MWD or an MJD is the only option really.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#23 - 2013-07-31 14:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Oh...and if you want to kill a Proteus, use this. Results are guaranteed, especially with armor links...C:

[Dominix, Dominix fit]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Reactor Control Unit II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Disruptor II
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
100MN Microwarpdrive II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Garde II x7
Bouncer II x3
Hammerhead II x10
Hornet EC-300 x5
Jester Cap
A better day
#24 - 2013-07-31 19:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Whitehound wrote:
Jester Cap wrote:
Target lock range: 109 km
Garde optimal range plus half falloff = 84.2 km
...

Check your numbers again, it is 90km plus 12km falloff on the Garde IIs. You have missed the Large Drone Scope Chip rig.

You then do not fit any guns on yours and have to rely solemnly on your Wardens for damage. I still make more ISK/hour than you and especially for the smaller stuff, because I can one-shot frigates with the railguns while the sentries shoot the battleships.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

I compared your core fit with my core fit.

I fit your precious scope chip as well and the numbers are back to where they are. Thing is, then you only now got one rig left to play with while i still got 2. On top of that the scope chip gives a CPU penalty. Why on earth you would want to fit it, i don't know. But that is probably the reason why you need to fit a co- processor as well, wasting another slot.

First you fit a rig that gives you a CPU penalty and than you waste a low to claw back that penalty.

You sir haven't got the foggiest how to fit a ship.

Now, just for the sake of argument lets say you fit the scope chip and i don't.

Now you are down 1 mid slot and 2 rig slots, over my fit.

Your gain at this point is 32 km range over my gardes. I still do the same dps where it matters, meaning at up to 62km, where all the rats spawn.

But with your brilliant scope chip, you not only wasted another rig slot, but you use even more CPU up and are forced to fit a co-processor. And a current router to fit your 425mm.

And your precious 425mm guns make no difference at all to your dps or speed of clearing rooms. Those unbonused 425mms could not hit water if they fell out of a boat. All they do is use cap for purely theoretical and even then negligable dps increase. Just for a laff, what ammo you shooting your 425mm with? (this should be good)

Please invite me to one of your missions. We fleet up and I want to see your 425mm one-shoot frigates. I will time you on your mission and then i will invite you over to the same mission when i get it and we time me. Lets see who freaking does more isk/hr. You can't even do the bonus room in the Angel Extravaganza in your Frankendomi, but you make more isk/hr. LOL

While i can rock 2 active mission specific hardeners and a 1600 plate and still got all my 3 rig slots left to do whatever i want to with, while you are down to 1 rig slot left, which you apparently need to use in order to fit your 425mm.

And while we are at it, on your 350mm fit you have a cap recharger fitted in your mids. lol. Drop the drone damage rig and put a memory cell. The dps increase is useless from a 4th damage mod.

Then proceed and replace the cap control circut also with a semiconductor memory cell and you wont need your cap recharger in your mids. yeah memory cells are expensive but they are worth it.

All in all your Frankendomies look like a bad pre odyssey fit that tries to somehow make use of the mjd.

You really don't know how to fit a domi.

EDIT:

PS: "You then do not fit any guns on yours and have to rely solemnly on your Wardens for damage".

That is exactly what i do as it is a Drone Boat.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
I use garde2s just like you. My gardes do the same dps up to 60k as yours. But unlike you i carry at least 2 sets of different sentries, usually 3 and i can make use of thier full range potential (unlike you). And i do not carry a set of useless ogres without a navigation comp (whcih would make drone travel time somehwat bareable). Stop making it out like i use warden2s as my main sentries.

If i used the extra low (DCU) and rig slots i have over your fit with (admitedly inefficient) drone damage mods my garde2s would kick your garde2s ass in the range where it counts. up to 62k. Your extera 30k range on your gardes over mine are absolutely useless. At 90km your anitmatter 425mm are useless as well as additional dps which you claim as an dps advantage over my setup.
Whitehound
#25 - 2013-07-31 20:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jester Cap wrote:
I fit your precious scope chip as well and the numbers are back to where they are. ...

First you fit a rig that gives you a CPU penalty and than you waste a low to claw back that penalty. ...

And your precious 425mm guns make no difference at all to your dps or speed of clearing rooms. ...

It is 90km, as I said. I fit the Co-Processor, because I want to fit as many drone-related mods and rigs as possible. The railguns not only one-shot frigates, while the drones shoot the battleships, but also help with getting aggro. My drones then hardly ever get aggro and I do not need to fit armor repairs into high-slots.

I am sure your fitting works, too, but you have put too much emphasis on tanking, because you did not think of emphasizing killing. You need to fit the other way around, first DPS, then tank.

Again, kill faster and you have less to tank. Be more aggressive. You will make ISKs faster.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jester Cap
A better day
#26 - 2013-07-31 21:09:13 UTC
Whitehound wrote:


[It is 90km, as I said. I fit the Co-Processor, because I want to fit as many drone-related mods and rigs as possible. The railguns not only one-shot frigates, while the drones shoot the battleships, but also help with getting aggro. My drones then hardly ever get aggro and I do not need to fit armor repairs into high-slots.

I am sure your fitting works, too, but you have put too much emphasis on tanking, because you did not think of emphasizing killing. You need to fit the other way around, first DPS, then tank.

Again, kill faster and you have less to tank. Be more aggressive. You will make ISKs faster.


"....railguns not only one-shot frigates, while the drones shoot the battleships, but also help with getting aggro"

You sir have not flown any missions since the AI update. Clearly you got no idea what you are talking about. Makes sense, looking at your fits. Its a theoretical fit pre odyssey, trying to make us of the mjd.

EFT warrior and theorycrafter. Thats all you are. Your puny 425s will not draw aggro of your drones. If you would fly missions, you would know that.

Anyway,
I will try to make it clear. I do as much damage with my gardes as you do. You shoot 30km farther which is totally irrelevant. How you propose your 30km longer range makes you kill stuff faster when they spawn at 60km? How is your extra 30km range on your gardes over mine giving you more dps. It does NOT. Nothing spawns between 60-90 km. Everything spawns below 60km. You have no dps advantage over my fit.

And at places like worlds collide i just plain pown your fit, cuz you cannot even lock stuff in the first room, while i am already killing stuff you still need to get in your 109km max target locking range. And then you gotta go back to get in range to the other group. Not to mention later, when they will absolutely gang **** your flimsy tank. But the DCU will save you......NOT. LOL

You do not have higher dps than me. You got theoretical better garde dps at 60-90 range and you got guns that dont track s**t where they do damage and they don't do damage where they actually track.

"...but you have put too much emphasis on tanking...." I focus on dps. More so than you. Since i use 1 mid and 1 rig less than you. i have the same dps WITH a better tank. If you fit a DCU i even get an extra low for better tank and still have the same DPS. On top of that i can fit more drone dps mods than you if i wanted to have your useless tank, making my fit have much mroe dps than yours with the same tank.

Again, please enlighten me. how do you propose you are able to make more isk/hr if you cannot even do the Angel Extravaga bonus room with your Frankendomi? How are you doing that? You got no answer cuz you can't do it and therefore my isk/hr is always higher.

Your guns do not one shoot frigs at any range. At 90km they dont have the damge and at 25 with anti matter they dont have the tracking.

Please enlighten us. What is the dps output of your five 425s at 90km? And what at 25km with antimatter? Its pathetic, that is what it is. It wont clear a room faster.

You don't do more dps. Thats is why you are an EFT warrior. You think 30km more rang on the gardes mean jack s**t when they don't.

You assume your guns do damage, when at long range they havent got the dps and at close range they havent got the tracking.

If i chose to use the extra slots you use over my fit for your "superior" dps, i will out dps you any time i chose to and stil have a better tank.

Your extra garde drone range is useless
Your guns do not do any damage against anything.

Please, humor me. Contact me ingame. Lets do a mission together. I will record it. Will be fun to see your 425s miss battle ships orbiting at 30km LOL. And watch your ogres slowboat across the field.

Oh yes, please again. Why are u bringing ogres again? without a drone nav computer? I thought you wanted to fit as many drone related modules as possible. But you dont even fit a drone nav for your ogres? And you want to out dps isk/hr me? LOL. You are crazy.




Whitehound
#27 - 2013-07-31 22:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jester Cap wrote:
What is the dps output of your five 425s at 90km? And what at 25km with antimatter?
Why are u bringing ogres again?

The four 425mm Railgun IIs do on average 735 damage per volley over the full range with Spike L. This is enough to one-shot standard NPC frigates, which have between 100-500 hitpoints with ~25% resistances. Elite frigates and destroyers take between 2 to 3 shots. With Antimatter Charge L is it 1267 per volley at 36km. The damage per second value is between 107-184 DPS. It is like having 6 Garde IIs instead of 5 and it is enough to even chew through cruisers while the sentries are busy killing bigger stuff. Tracking is hardly ever an issue, because every NPC comes in a straight line at you. Getting the aggro is not only good for avoiding damage to your drones, but allows to get the attention if idle NPC groups and have them move towards you with very low angular velocities and lets the sentries always hit for full damage.

The Ogre IIs are for small mission pockets, i.e. when one needs to move to a gate. Using ogres to kill a group of cruisers while moving saves time.

Give it a try.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Mos7Wan7ed
Hardcore Industries
#28 - 2013-08-01 04:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mos7Wan7ed
I am gonna post with an option for your more immediate request of a pvp fit...

As a miner without gunnery skills I assume you have shield skills and not likely to have a ton of armor or BS based skills...
You could try a shield myrm...

With shields (extenders, resists, no shield boosters unless you do aux shield boosters then do 2 of them and don't bother with extenders) and a MWD in the mids...
Neuts, nos, drone augs in the highs...
Drone damage mods, pdus, and a dcu in the lows...
Then just pile in drones for damage.

Cheaper then a Domi and still offers same options you asked for (Drone damage & Cap EWAR) with a little less damage and ehp. You aren't gonna take on a Proteus solo with it but you would be a worth wile support or bait. A cheaper option for you and for the killboard :)

Good luck with your war and have fun.
Jester Cap
A better day
#29 - 2013-08-01 07:55:13 UTC
"The four 425mm Railgun IIs do on average 735 damage per volley over the full range with Spike L. This is enough to one-shot standard NPC frigates, which have between 100-500 hitpoints with ~25% resistances. "

Thank you for outing yourself as the EFT warrior you are. Your (four) 425s will not do 735 damage to 25% resist ships. 735 is the max. theoretical EFT value. At best you do 500 in theory, in reality much much less somewhere around 250-300, depending on the rats you encounter. And you don't have selectable damage. And you use ammo. And cap.

The time and cap and ammo it takes your 425s to even hit frigs in the best of circumstances would be better spend using your sentries to indeed alpha one-volley frigs and destroyers with your sentries.

Furthermore, instead of wasting a slot on a co-processor and a rig on the current router to fit your 425s, you would be better off fitting drone damage mods, however inefficient they are after the 3rd damage mod.

A PVE domi simply should not fit guns. Especially not if it requires extra rigs/lows to be able to fit them.

"The Ogre IIs are for small mission pockets, i.e. when one needs to move to a gate. Using ogres to kill a group of cruisers while moving saves time."

Sounds good in theory. In reality you will rarely meet cruiser only spawns. There will always be frigs around who, if you don't clear them, will target your ogres, no matter your aggro (FYI new AI). The cruisers will target your ogres as well. Your unbonused 425s with antimatter wont track an elephant in a telephone booth on short distances, therefore you will have to deploy smalls to clear the frigs then recall and deploy meds to clear cruisers.

Gun aggro wont change the fact that ogres will be targeted by frigs and cruisers, no matter what (and battleships too). You clearly do not understand the new AI. That is because you actually don't fly missions in domis. Otherwise you would know.

You are better off using your gardes who indeed got no problem obliterating frigs, cruisers and anything else, even at close range. Especially using 3 !!!! omnies.

I am asking now for a third time. How do you intend on beating me isk/hr if with your Frankendomi you cannot even handle the bonus room of an Angel Extravaga? You keep ignoring this and other facts like your extra 30km garde range actually does not matter for anything. But for that extra 20km range you give up a rig slot and a med slot and use 68 more CPU to fit it. You gain no dps advantage on your gardes, only 20km range. Which is a) useless and b) if it was usefull still not worth an extra mid and rig slot.

By fitting the drone scope chip you get 10km extra range to a total of 30km extra range on the gardes for another rig slot and a CPU penalty on a fit that already uses too much CPU (hence the co-processor).

1 extra med and 2 rig slots to get 30kms on gardes. Plus a co-processor in the lows.

And then you waste another low slot on a DCU claiming it is necessary to prevent a ship loss due to a disconnect.

Then you proceed to try to explain that your theoretical damage of your four 425s is worth a rig slot in from of a current router.

Your fit is a theory fit. You try to use pre odyssey fits and somehow make them work with the MJD and the new mechanics.

Guns make no sense at all anymore on a PvE domi. Neither do heavies. Especially not without a drone nav.

If you would PvE in a domi, you would know all of this.

You do not need 3 omnies. max 2 is enough.

You don't use a rig slot to extend your lock range by 25%. You use a SeBo with script to extend your lock range by 60% and give yourself the ability to take full advantage of the range of your long-range sentries who shoot even with just one omnie to 140km. At this range you wont need a DCU to keep you (as you claim) safe from discos as your drones will basically auto kill anything.

This is as close as you can get to afk missioning with a domi. This ould allow you dualboxing on another toon and make even more isk with that second toon, semi afk missioning in a second domi on a second account at the same time. Od do whatever else productive you chose to do (if you have a second account).

On top of that, freeing all those rig slots (garde range increase by fitting modules with CPU penalty and current routers to be able to fit 425s), low slots (your DCU) and mids (1 ommie instead of 3) will give you the ability to fit a tank and cap to actually do things like Bonus Rooms.

You have no clue how to fit or make money with a PvE domi.

All you have is theoretical dps output from your 425s that even at full theoretical DPS are just neglectable at the cost of a rig slot and useless 30km extra range on your gardes at the cost of CPU, one mid and 2 rig slots.

If it does not click now, you are beyond help. A

I am sure your fit somehow works too for low isk/LP missions, but if you wanAna make some real money with Bonus Rooms and potentially dual boxing 2 semi-afk mission domis on 2 accounts your fit is simply bad.

Enjoy your fit and your missioning. If you want a real fit then hit me up in game and i'll talk you through missioning in a domiRoll





Whitehound
#30 - 2013-08-01 08:46:52 UTC
Jester Cap wrote:
"The four 425mm Railgun IIs do on average 735 damage per volley over the full range with Spike L. This is enough to one-shot standard NPC frigates, which have between 100-500 hitpoints with ~25% resistances. "

Thank you for outing yourself as the EFT warrior you are. Your (four) 425s will not do 735 damage to 25% resist ships. 735 is the max. theoretical EFT value. At best you do 500 in theory, in reality much much less somewhere around 250-300, depending on the rats you encounter. And you don't have selectable damage. And you use ammo. And cap.

How do you intend on beating me isk/hr if with your Frankendomi you cannot even handle the bonus room of an Angel Extravaga? ...

I am tired of reading all your rant. Please look up forum rule #3 and start acting like it.

Back to the numbers... Take 25% of off 735 and you get 551, which is enough to destroy all the hitpoints of a normal NPC frigate in a single shot. I also have no problems with AE as I use Bouncer IIs and an explosive plating for it.

You have been playing with your character for 1 year now. I am playing as Whitehound for 4 years. I am not an EFT warrior, but rather use it to give you the facts in numbers so you can understand them.

If you cannot appreciate it, do not want to believe me and rather continue with your rant can I not really help you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Dorrann
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-08-01 09:59:05 UTC
I love it when Whitehound posts, someone ALWAYS disagrees with him and it almost always turns into a Thread-derailing argument between WH and his victim that goes on for days.

I'm almost certain WH is a master troller, but if he's not ....... *boggle*
Whitehound
#32 - 2013-08-01 10:27:10 UTC
Dorrann wrote:
I love it when Whitehound posts, someone ALWAYS disagrees with him and it almost always turns into a Thread-derailing argument between WH and his victim that goes on for days.

I'm almost certain WH is a master troller, but if he's not ....... *boggle*

I am not arguing, I am explaining how my fitting works. This is your problem, you only think it is an argument. Try watching this.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Whitehound
#33 - 2013-08-02 19:04:29 UTC
Only to add to the discussion on a Dominix doing the Angel Extravaganza did I use a Dominix today instead of my usual mission runner and looked at the time: 55 minutes. This included killing everything (ships & towers), shooting the silo and doing the bonus room. I also did the Worlds Collide with it and by going only over one side (Serpentis) did it take 20 minutes.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Ginger Barbarella
#34 - 2013-08-02 21:03:04 UTC
Dorrann wrote:
I love it when Whitehound posts, someone ALWAYS disagrees with him and it almost always turns into a Thread-derailing argument between WH and his victim that goes on for days.


You hit on why, after playing for 6 years, I don't post fits. Someone will always come along who either a) has a COMPLETELY different playstyle and insists your fits are sh!t, or b) is EFT Warrioring at L5 and has never even boarded said ship (yes, I'm looking the the two female toons who has been sh!tpoasting for weeks now on fits that even THEY admit they've never flown).

Maybe some posters should consider NOT posting on topics they have no clue about. =) I don't post about null escalations, and I don't post about capital warfare. Never done either, so I recognize that I have no room to speak on the topic.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Jester Cap
A better day
#35 - 2013-08-04 07:23:26 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

I am tired of reading all your rant. Please look up forum rule #3 and start acting like it.

Back to the numbers... Take 25% of off 735 and you get 551, which is enough to destroy all the hitpoints of a normal NPC frigate in a single shot. I also have no problems with AE as I use Bouncer IIs and an explosive plating for it.

You have been playing with your character for 1 year now. I am playing as Whitehound for 4 years. I am not an EFT warrior, but rather use it to give you the facts in numbers so you can understand them.

If you cannot appreciate it, do not want to believe me and rather continue with your rant can I not really help you.


I am tired of reading about your bad advice you give to people. And I am not ranting at all. I am actually taking the time to explain to you why using 2 rig slots and a mid slot for a 30km range gain on garde (and only garde benefit from that) is a bad fit.

On top of that your fit not only uses more mids and rigs, but uses up about 70 CPU more than my fit.

PLUS your scope chip gives you on top of that a CPU penalty. Which at the end of the day results in you wasting another low slot for a co-processor

And then on top of that you waste another rig slot to increase your power grid in order to fit 425s, which wont do 551 damage on frigs. You are talking perfect shots which you aint getting.

Finally you tell people to fit a DCU because in your "experience" losing ships due to disconnects is a problem, which it is not. Especially not if you use the MJD on your domi and sit at 130km from the rats!

This is not ranting buddy. This is cut clear arguments against your fit.

"You have been playing with your character for 1 year now. I am playing as Whitehound for 4 years."

I dunno what you look up buddy, but I have been playing (on this toon) since October 2007. So on this toon I got almost 3 years on you. When you check things, at least do it right.

"I am not an EFT warrior, but rather use it to give you the facts in numbers so you can understand them."
This is your problem. You are all EFT numbers. Just like your 550 on frigs with unbonused 425s and spike L.

Your fit has no tank, no cap and no damage increase other than your theoretical damage you get from your useless 425s, which also use up cap and ammo.

Those are the cold hard facts.

You don't need 3 omnies on a domi. Max 2 is enough. You don't increase your lock range using a rig slot. You use a SeBo with script and you get 60% lock range over your 25% OR I get 30% lock range and 30% lock speed. I'll be clearing frigs off the field before you even lock them. But you want to beat me in isk/hr? LOL. Great dps gain you get from your 425s if you cannot shoot stuff cuz you haven't locked them yet LOL.

You DON'T waste a rig slot to fit guns on a hull that has no bonuses on guns. Especially not when you only field 4 of the possible 6, since it is a drone boat and guess what. you been fitting drone stuff in some of your highs LOL.

And you don't fit a DCU on a mission ship taking slots away from your tank. Especially not, when you are sitting in a MJD drone boat that is at about 120km away from any threat.

End of story.
Jester Cap
A better day
#36 - 2013-08-04 07:27:33 UTC
Dorrann wrote:
I love it when Whitehound posts, someone ALWAYS disagrees with him and it almost always turns into a Thread-derailing argument between WH and his victim that goes on for days.

I'm almost certain WH is a master troller, but if he's not ....... *boggle*


Well he is obviously a troller. Just gotta read his Sig. I still can't let him spread false info and make some poor pilot who asks for a domi fit rage quit or hate domis because they use his domi fit, which of course ends horribly.
Whitehound
#37 - 2013-08-04 11:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jester Cap wrote:
I dunno what you look up buddy, but I have been playing (on this toon) since October 2007. So on this toon I got almost 3 years on you. When you check things, at least do it right.

My fault, you are right. I had not seen the 2007. However, the Dominix fitting works just fine. Try it or shut up. I am only going to report you for continuous ranting and antagonizing. I am tired of your attitude.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2013-08-05 20:04:02 UTC
A trolling post has been removed.

Forum rule 5. Trolling is prohibited.

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