Ships & Modules

What concerns me is that in the gate sniping situation I described earlier there are generally two decisions pilots make when they jump in and see me ~200 km away. They either assume they can align out fast enough, I can't hit them or something like this and try to warp. Because aligning from a dead stop doesn't cause you to move very much they usually take the hit and explode. The other reaction is people who burn back for the gate and that shot rarely has the damage to be lethal with only low EHP frigates like medium ASB fits ever being killed this way and about 50% of the time will miss completely even with 3 tracking enhancers fitted. The tracking is already bad enough that even very minor movements can cause a miss (even the aligning frigates would live or be missed some of the time) so I'd be pretty concerned about any reduction on this front. Now granted this is all fire directed at frigates so sig radius and resolution is a significant factor here, I never had any problems hitting industrials, destroyers and anything larger but this is also from an average range between about 190-210 km. It's pretty hard to get a firing spot much farther away than that to compensate for poor tracking, my spots were always one of several bookmarks off the gate and so was kind of a set piece and therefore pretty much useless in an engagement off the gate.

Additionally on the Oracle at least I'm already using as many sebos as I have mid slots, 1 low (sig amp) and also some of my rigs for both scan res and lock range as well as 3 lows for optimal, falloff and tracking and my skills are full level 5s for anything relevant to any of this. It's not really practical to even get the ship to be physically capable of firing much farther than that, about the only thing you could do is go nuts on implants. Since I don't do this type of sniping often anymore (too many bomber pilots have too many of my bookmarks), I'm certainly not willing to spend that kind of money on sniping.

Sorry, but that 3rd TC doesn't add much for Nightmare.

What is so important about that cap usage? You're cap stable with T2 Tachyons, hardeners/TCs running. And you have around 1m20s of cap if running everything.

Also:
Tachyon Beam Laser II: 4,375 million
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser: 80 million (Hek); 83 million (Jita)

received this in an incursion channel on my way through:

"ISN HQ SECONDARY"

High power
1x Large Shield Transporter II
4x Tachyon Beam Laser II
1x Large Energy Transfer Array II
Medium power
1x Sensor Booster II
1x Large Shield Extender II
3x Tracking Computer II
1x Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
1x Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Low power
1x Damage Control II
4x Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Rig Slot
1x Large Core Defense Field Extender II
1x Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
1x Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Drones
5x Warrior II
5x Hammerhead II

Umm... You don't script your TCs?

I run Shadow Serp/Fed Navy TCs, 4 of them...

The 3rd mod is 57.1% effective

For a range scripted TC, that means:
8.57% more optimal
17.1% more falloff

For a range scripted faction TC that means
9.14% more optimal
18.3% more falloff


For speed scripted
17.1% more speed for T2
20.0% more tracking speed for a faction TC

For the 4th one, speed scripted, it still adds 10% to tracking speed

How can you say that isn't adding much?




No, its not a sniper fit, its a "mid range" fit. The Machs do most of the "sniping", while the NMs use mostly multi and gleam with a little gamma and X ray, and rarely engage over 70km.
Of course... it could... range script for the sebos and TCs, plus aurora, and you can do much more than 120... but what is the point?



How I'd modify that ISN secondary fit:

1x Large Shield Transporter II
4x Tachyon Beam Laser II
1x Faction Large Energy Transfer Array II (Its pretty cheap, use it)

Medium power
1x Faction Sensor Booster II
4x Faction Tracking Computer II
1x Pithum C->A or Gist B->A Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
1x Core or Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive (yes, in this case I'm saying something cheaper is fine)

Low power
1x Damage Control II
4x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Rig Slot
1x Large Core Defense Field Extender II
1x Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
1x Large Energy Locus Coordinator II (With the large laser changes, you don't need the elutriation if you've got good skills and implants)
Drones
5x Warrior II
5x Hammerhead II

Implants:
6% Large turret damage
6% Large energy turret Damage
6% Tracking speed
6% Cap capacity
6% Cap recharge
Genolution set

[Nightmare, L4 Nightmare]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I

I guess after spending a few billion ISK buying and fitting Nightmare with faction guns they didn't want to "waste" ISK on cap boosters and faction crystals...

This is completely understandable... I'm glad to see people not throwing ISK away on such frivolous things!

awww but +25% damage to tachys would be fun

Since Pulse+scorch is so stupidly good not ready to train beams anywhere soon.