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Why "high sec bears" don't go to null

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2013-07-31 06:53:44 UTC
Its human nature sometimes to hoard isk. I have 8 sisters lol, two youngest ones are like 2 years apart. One of them spends money like water the other hoards it like its life itself. Same gene pool different personalities

I imagine its the same thing with isk hoarders, they get gratification from every iskie that lights up their wallet. If the game didnt havr them it would suck. They're the ones that give the greatest satisfaction when blowing up. Imo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#182 - 2013-07-31 07:26:11 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Andski wrote:
you have to be relevant to be spied on


by relevant, do you then mean being a woman and walk around naked when coming out of the shower?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
symolan
BamBam Inc.
#183 - 2013-07-31 07:57:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

In additon to stations, there is NOTHING stopping hi-sec players from doing what I and others do: Using a Carrier as a mobil cloak-capable logistics base


you made me smile.

yeah, one day I will have a carrier too.

what stops me now are the trivial things like

- SP
- ISK
- experience
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2013-07-31 08:29:11 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Why "high sec bears" don't go to null?


Because they don't have the balls.

That is all.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#185 - 2013-07-31 08:47:41 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Operating in 0.0 without joining the sheep is annoying. Its time intensive. It costs twice as much as a normal sub (activated an alt account with RR and cargo of boosters, ammo) to act as ghetto station.

In short 0.0 is shite for non-alliance. I think people might go out if it wasn't so one sidedly balanced in favor of nullbears.


"One does not simply waka waka into Mordor "

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#186 - 2013-07-31 16:12:01 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:
Flying for three hours in one direction, repeatedly, is boring which is why no one does it. Discuss.

That is not the issue. The issue is there is no incentive to travel out there due to lack of ability to fit, repair, reship and rearm. As stated earlier, nullsec is constant bagging high seccers for being too scared to go to null. My suggestion was rather than fear it has more to do with those problems.

If you are unable to contribute but would rather derail the thread with stupid, go ahead.


*no incentive to travel out there due to lack of ability to fit, repair, reship and rearm*
WAIT WAT these rotten people took this space, right, and have to be ready to fight for it at any time, right, but you want to be able to live there so you can prey on them?
NO
*nullsec is constant bagging high seccers for being too scared to go to null.*
Not really, most nullsec pilots don't think of highsec at all unless they need to do a run to a market hub. Maybe a few toxic idiots on the forums spout that sort of toxin and maybe it bothers you because you're kinda toxic yourself.
There's an NPC null patch in the centre of Fountain, non-sov holding dudes live there and ninja PVE Vindi BPCs and implants to sell in Jita. They also pick off stragglers and bads of the local sov-holders. They swarm out of the woodwork when the locals deploy, then dock up in the face of any fight. Usual NPC null crap like undocking Archon reps to deal with anything bigger than a solo battlecruiser.
They have been doing what you wish you could do, but on a massive scale, for years now.

Sorry for poast longer than a T-shirt slogan but your oblivious, can't be told anything attitude just doesn't fit with your fail tactics and run-of-the-mill style.





Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#187 - 2013-07-31 16:43:09 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I mean what the hell are you pubbies doing with the vast stockpiles of isk you are building up? Diving into it like scrooge mcduck? Hoping that CCP inserts god rats into the belts so you can get a Thors modified adaptive invulnerability field so you can tank the same **** you could tank with T2 mods?

My tolerance for making isk in this game is almost famously non existent, I've got something like ... 300 million liquid at the moment, yet I can still work up the urge to plex my alt and buy a carrier. The ability to shift all of my crap across new eden in less than a day without having to yank all the rigs out and trust some crappy freighter service is worth it's weight in gold.


That still requires 2 characters. Well more likely 2 accounts as I can't light a cyno for myself on the same account. I understand there is nothing hard at all about having a carrier alt but I personally don't want to go around with 2 accounts at least for now.

As a side question about ISK hoarding, how many time you think people should be able to replace ship loss as a backup fund? Liquid isk or assets makes no difference to me as long as the value is there.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2013-07-31 18:14:37 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:
Flying for three hours in one direction, repeatedly, is boring which is why no one does it. Discuss.

That is not the issue. The issue is there is no incentive to travel out there due to lack of ability to fit, repair, reship and rearm. As stated earlier, nullsec is constant bagging high seccers for being too scared to go to null. My suggestion was rather than fear it has more to do with those problems.

If you are unable to contribute but would rather derail the thread with stupid, go ahead.


*Snip*

Sorry for poast longer than a T-shirt slogan but your oblivious, can't be told anything attitude just doesn't fit with your fail tactics and run-of-the-mill style.

I'm not doing too bad with my fail tactics and fail shield fit - still alive and have 15 kills. Not too bad for high sec carebear imo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#189 - 2013-07-31 18:25:23 UTC
I'm to lazy to check someone do it for me. Are they Harry-style cynoship kills on the vfk undock

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2013-07-31 18:33:13 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I'm to lazy to check someone do it for me. Are they Harry-style cynoship kills on the vfk undock

Kills a kill.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#191 - 2013-07-31 19:04:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I'm to lazy to check someone do it for me. Are they Harry-style cynoship kills on the vfk undock




You wait your turn.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#192 - 2013-07-31 19:06:41 UTC
because you lose ALOT OF isk in 0.0 more often then in highsec thats as simple as i can get it

I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2013-07-31 19:15:18 UTC
Lee Hekard wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
I'm not sure what this thread is about.


Same.

But on the topic of Nullsec (even though it may be off topic for the thread), I think that Local plays a large part in why 'good' PVP is hard to come by. Everyone just docks / POS's up. WH space has a much more healthy environment for what it is designed to be compared to Nullsec. Fundamentally, Nullsec mechanics are treated very much like Highsec mechnics except you can use bubbles. If a ship enters one of these 'lawless' systems then you immediately know via Local and simply dock up. Having lived in Null for a number of months on previous toons I never really felt that much under threat. But when I lived in WH space for a few months it was much more the 'EVE' experience as it was meant to be. Nullsec is easy, sorry but it is.


And yet all indications are that CCP wants to muck up w-space...see T3 nerfs. CCP has been sitting on sov null for years. Sure they move some goo around but they never address the languishing issue that noone but those with jump bridges and titans have any reasonable chance of pewing out there save for the exceptional player who just spent 3 hours gauging their eyes out positioning and prepping for a kill.

And if you did happen to bring a fleet, guess what? A massive fleet is going to hot drop you. Local and force projection are the two advantages that sov null has over everyone not equally capable when entering their space.

Don't ban me, bro!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#194 - 2013-07-31 19:53:38 UTC
symolan wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

In additon to stations, there is NOTHING stopping hi-sec players from doing what I and others do: Using a Carrier as a mobil cloak-capable logistics base


you made me smile.

yeah, one day I will have a carrier too.

what stops me now are the trivial things like

- SP
- ISK
- experience


So you're saying you don't have the SP, isk, or experience for a carrier?

Well, you just illustrated a big problem with how high sec people think, because at no point did you say "gee, I can't do it myself, maybe I'll make friends with someone who can. That's what i did before i could fly a carrier or even light a cyno.

Even then, if you focus and trains smart and learn and make/spend isk wisely , it doesn't even take long (in EVe terms) to get where you want to be. But you have to want to be able to do it. Those incursion runners flying 5 bil isk Vinicators and machariels found a way to get the isk and train up the SP, why can't you again?

It says a lot that the very 1st thing you think is "I can't do it". It means you don't want to, that's the point, high sec people could go to null today if they wanted to. They don't want to because it involves effort.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#195 - 2013-07-31 19:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Zappity wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
rant rant rant get an alt with a carrier and it's easy


An alt with a carrier is your simple solution? Are you even reading your own words? The fact that you think you need a carrier for logistics speaks volumes.

Alt or a friend.\

You don't even need that, get a friend with a tech1 logi ship and get him to log off in null somewhere.

As I pointed out to the other guy, it says a lot that the very 1st thing you think is "I don't wanna/shouldn't have to do that". I call it the "failed before you began" mindset.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#196 - 2013-07-31 21:45:08 UTC
The don`t like to lose there ship. The don`t like pvp thats all. The great thing in eve is you can do playing eve for many years without losing a ship. But the corn of this game is pvp. For some ad reason many people don`t like the pvp aspect. I love everything els in this game except the pvp part. Its a risky to say something like this in a pvp game. But still the rest of eve story`s the dead space the fun between other pilots. The pve content the unknown search for exploring or discovering new planets < i mean the snap shot off the different planets on the region. The moon stars and go on. Thats what i like about eve blowing ships to helms deep is not my game style. Nor iam also not a hardcore shooter thats trilled to kill some one. I Just respect people that love the other side of eve online. Not bitching or whining about how bad care bears are. Take a deep breath and relaxes for some time. Perhaps you notice that the game have more to offer then ship spinning in station.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#197 - 2013-07-31 23:46:46 UTC
Well there's one class of ship that you can fly despite probably being unable to replace it easily.

Supercapitals.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#198 - 2013-07-31 23:57:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
symolan wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

In additon to stations, there is NOTHING stopping hi-sec players from doing what I and others do: Using a Carrier as a mobil cloak-capable logistics base


you made me smile.

yeah, one day I will have a carrier too.

what stops me now are the trivial things like

- SP
- ISK
- experience


So you're saying you don't have the SP, isk, or experience for a carrier?

Well, you just illustrated a big problem with how high sec people think, because at no point did you say "gee, I can't do it myself, maybe I'll make friends with someone who can. That's what i did before i could fly a carrier or even light a cyno.

Even then, if you focus and trains smart and learn and make/spend isk wisely , it doesn't even take long (in EVe terms) to get where you want to be. But you have to want to be able to do it. Those incursion runners flying 5 bil isk Vinicators and machariels found a way to get the isk and train up the SP, why can't you again?

It says a lot that the very 1st thing you think is "I can't do it". It means you don't want to, that's the point, high sec people could go to null today if they wanted to. They don't want to because it involves effort.




Thats nice and all but it does not provide a songle reason to go to null even if the guy has all the means to do it. What is the point of going through all those hoops. Is there something wrong about not going to null? Is someone's gaming time a complete waste because he didn't go to null sec as opposed to someone who do? No matter how easy, hard, safe or dangerous people will make null look like, as long as the player does not see a reason to go there, why would he? What enjoyment of the game will he get out of null sec?

Would it make people happy if I posted a pic of myself in VFK and one of the obvious lossmail stuck together with a caption over it saying : "I went to VFK and all I got is that lousy lossmail."

I really don't get whats the deal with people that seem forious about the fact that others don't enjoy the same thing as them in this god damn sandbox. Why can't people play with thier various miniature farming equipement while other make sandcastle wars?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#199 - 2013-08-01 00:00:16 UTC
It's not as easy as just "going to null". Even if you were somehow really elite-grade at pvp, what are you going to do there? And 20 guys in frigates can kill you, it's not solo pvp land.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#200 - 2013-08-01 00:02:27 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Well there's one class of ship that you can fly despite probably being unable to replace it easily.

Supercapitals.


Says a member of the alliance/coalition who just invaded an entire region for it's money moon so they could make sure thier large SRP would be kept running. If the ships are so easy to replace for people, why is there even a SRP for anything below super cap? Aren't they easy to replace by the player themself anyway?