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BIOHAZARD- what a way to treat a noob

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Murdoch Luther
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#21 - 2013-07-21 12:57:04 UTC
And that my friend is why you get your a$$es handed to you lol.
System Shark
THEEAGLESCLAW
#22 - 2013-07-21 13:09:42 UTC
Well I'm far from a forum warrior iv never posted
Prior to this but I feel I should throw my 2p in.

My self and I Yarr took you out and showed you some
Really basic PVP stuff even though we where both
Happy to do that and this is certainly not a personal
Criticism against you it took two FCs away from running
Fleets. As a new corp we had to make a decision as to
What was more important to us training new guys or
Flipping systems we collectively decided the latter.
Unfortunately you had to be let go but your reaction seamed
Extreme this is a computer game about spaceships it's fun and
If its making you feel so upset you should give it a break I wish
You all the best and hope to fly with you at some point in the
Future mate.

As for the members of other mini corps who feel the need
To detract from BIO you can't in one breath state that we
Are not contributing to the war effort and at the same time claim
We do not spend enough time training new guys the two views
Are in direct contradiction of each other.
we do not have unlimited Time and resources if you feel there
is a element of FW not been covered Well by BIO take responsibility for it.

Ps, sorry about the odd format I sent this from my phone.
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-07-21 13:30:10 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
You're really not making any case for not needing to be taken down a notch, especially with all the blathering and chestbeating about how killboard stats make you awesome.

I get it, influencing the warzone is a cool thing, and good job on that. Don't make the assumption that everyone aims for the same thing, or that playing FW on a macro scale gives you the right to lord over people and expect them to kiss your feet. That's the sort of thing that ends in losing super pro faction fit Cynabals.

Anyway, this is off topic. On topic, it's unfortunate that OP had to learn about corp cleanups the hard way, but there it is. I made some negative assumptions myself, which turned out wrong.



so are you going to be the ones who 'take us down a notch' cause to me that sounds like chest beating. I actually have no problem with alot of the rifterlings guys.

The ones who think it is ok to shoot militia members and members of Biohazard. because they are 'carebearing' is really not cool. and its a quick way to gain a reputation for being untrustworthy.

I don't have enough ink in my pen to list the corps and alliances that will not work with rifterlings. I on the other hand love to break boundaries and rattle the cage a bit...

If you want to talk to me about how best to resolve this situation of hate from rifterlings towards Biohazard. and some vice versa, poke me in game any time, and we can have a chat. one where our guns are not pointed at each others faces like the last time:-p
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CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#24 - 2013-07-21 13:34:25 UTC
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Confirming they need to be taken down a notch.


Sure thing gents grab a ship?

In all honesty any pvp capable pilot will find a great home with us.If your a bad I am afraid your likley not to make the cut.Lots of corp offer BASIC game training.If you had taken the time to read up FW mechanics (corp bulletins) and why is bad to mine highsec with WT's around (again corp bulletins)perhaps said incident wouldnt have occured.That plus the fact that at any given day corpies can provide you with a number of +isk activites that are a LOT more profitable than mining makes me think you just didnt put the effort in at all.

As Max has already covered we were and are growing fast .Consider you leaving(getting kicked)making us a leaner more efficent ball of death.Thank you for that.

My Dear rifterlings an alliance of solo frig pilots really have no place in commenting on how actual (decent) corp's opperate.The fact your members come and enjoy our flets says it all no?

TLDR Haters gonna Hate.

Beta o7
praying mantis01
Death by Design.
#25 - 2013-07-21 22:24:03 UTC
Sorry who are rifterlings lol?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#26 - 2013-07-21 22:35:55 UTC
Maximus Decimal wrote:
If you want to talk to me about how best to resolve this situation of hate from rifterlings towards Biohazard. and some vice versa, poke me in game any time, and we can have a chat. one where our guns are not pointed at each others faces like the last time:-p

Roger, will do.

I had a whole lengthy response explaining in detail what happened from our perspective, but the forums ate it so you only get a tl;dr. Blame CCP.

The conflict was over our shooting of Karl Okei, who we were not aware was a Biohazard. alt until too late. The justification for shooting him was a delayed reaction to the perception he was using TLF membership as an umbrella to mine safely. The second time I shot him (in the Mammoth), I had not realized he joined Biohazard. just a couple minutes prior (no change on my overview v0v). In short: failure in communication, probably on both sides.

Had the reaction been more tempered, I would have stood down, apologized, and reimbursed Kyle. Instead, though, I received threats, grandstanding, and a bunch of expensive-looking cruisers camping the station.

Result? Pew pew!

Rifterlings don't make a habit of awoxing, and we're fine with getting over this debacle. So far as warzone contributions and the list of entities who "won't" work with Rifterlings -- that's more a matter of our crazy and bellicose behavior rather than being bad allies. We help when we can, but there's not much small wings of frigates can do on the macro scale, y'know?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Oki Riverson
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#27 - 2013-07-22 01:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Oki Riverson
Maximus Decimal wrote:

Binkii I'm truly sorry you were recruited without being fully aware of what was ahead of you, or that you were not informed beforehand what was happening. A Massive change was made to the corporation and you were one of the first to get das boot I'm afraid. I don't think it makes us elitist at all, and I do not regret my descision to remove you from corp one bit. I could have handled how I did it better I admit. I removed 21 bads from corp that day, so it's not personal.


MD


To be fair to maximus things would seemed to have improved since this incident with me being kicked from the corp over the weekend.

I had applied and joined midweek then moved all my stuff.

Maximus then chatted with me ingame re his concerns. It stemmed down to the fact that in my app i had listed the roles my alts played but not listed their names. I am always happy to disclose my pvp characters names but never my mission runner or hauler names.

Basically his mind was made up before the start of the convo and i was asked to leave. Thats fair enough as its his corp and eve is game where everyone is paranoid of spais.

Cant complain about but being asked to leave and not simply kicked like appears to be what most ceos do. He talked with me first rather than logon and find yourself in a noob corp. would have been nice to be asked about the alts before i joined but at the end of the day no biggy.
cepo
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#28 - 2013-07-22 04:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: cepo
Take this as a learning experience. The EvE community is full of douchebags. Its just part of the game.
Iain Zigmura
Rifterlings
#29 - 2013-07-26 05:59:49 UTC
This thread needs an injection of 1337 pvp genius. Allow me to provide it.

Biohazzrd, Rifterlings, Fweddit and the OP are all a bunch of incompetent scrubs. Perhaps, by the grace of my presence here, you will all gradually improve, but chances are slim, as I am not a miracle worker.

Carry on.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#30 - 2013-07-26 09:21:41 UTC
Tbh Biohazard are a decent corporation, the thing is there are a lot of corporations out there that get a buzz from being more elitist.

My advice to you newer guy is train yourself for Interceptors/Interdictors and start flying as a scout for larger 0.0 groups etc, and then learn pvp through soloing in a Frigate or whatever, and slowly progress your way up as your skills allow. Remember, having skills @ 5 is important, don't let anyone tell you "Level 4 is enough", because i'm telling you "Level 5 is better".
-Buhhd
Noel Voltaic
Anatidaephobia.
#31 - 2013-07-29 09:25:16 UTC
Tbh biohazard seem like dicks, they claim elite pvp staus but when you check your killboard they are nothing more then average if that.



http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=321224



Im sure they will be taken down a notch by someone eventually.


http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html

how ******* awesome is Iain zigmura

vOv
Iain Zigmura
Rifterlings
#32 - 2013-07-31 07:06:01 UTC
Noel Voltaic wrote:

how ******* awesome is Iain zigmura



Pretty ******* awesome
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-07-31 16:43:49 UTC
Noel Voltaic wrote:
Tbh biohazard seem like dicks, they claim elite pvp staus but when you check your killboard they are nothing more then average if that.



http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=321224



Im sure they will be taken down a notch by someone eventually.


http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html

how ******* awesome is Iain zigmura

vOv




'I refuse to breathe further life into this rumor by discussing it' - You know who

However,

I would like to state that we have never claimed to be 1337, just 'more organized than your average FW monkeys'

Noel come out from behind your forum alias. hiding away there.

Our killboard shows we are sustaining 1300 (plus) kills every month for the last 3 months. and a 60% + efficiency. so we meet our own recruitment standard. Problem?
Considering we are in FW and highly active, large numbers of losses are to be expected, but taking into account the isk efficiency I'm not worried about it.

Oh yeah, also we have way too much fun. Seriously we shouldn't be allowed to have this much fun. Some of our members are beside themselves and getting a bit crazy :-)

Thanks to Buhhdust for your kind words. Much appreciated and it means a lot coming from you mate.

MD
Jen Takhesis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-07-31 16:54:15 UTC
Maximus Decimal wrote:
...Or, do we tighten up the recruitment policies, and start removing anyone who does not meet a standard that we expect...

...A Massive change was made to the corporation and you were one of the first to get das boot I'm afraid. I don't think it makes us elitist at all, and I do not regret my descision to remove you from corp one bit...

MD


If you are only recruiting and keeping experienced PvP pilots, that does technically/literally make you elitist.
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-07-31 17:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Decimal
Jen Takhesis wrote:
Maximus Decimal wrote:
...Or, do we tighten up the recruitment policies, and start removing anyone who does not meet a standard that we expect...

...A Massive change was made to the corporation and you were one of the first to get das boot I'm afraid. I don't think it makes us elitist at all, and I do not regret my descision to remove you from corp one bit...

MD


If you are only recruiting and keeping experienced PvP pilots, that does technically/literally make you elitist.



"Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, higher intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern."

This is the copy pasta of elitism pulled from wikipedia.

Previously my knowledge on the subject seemed... inadequate.

So by this definition I suppose you could argue that we are 'elitist' but I truly believe that there are different levels of elitism and I don't think Biohazard. operates at a level where, 'only those deemed acceptable and a sure thing' are accepted. there are always exceptions. We offer each member a vouch, to take responsibility for someone who does not meet our requirements. We often give people the chance to prove themselves, and hand pick people we like from our open fleet ops. So how can you say we are elitist, if we do in fact have members who are invited to join us despite their lack of experience/SP.



What about all those hundreds of corps that have 'no trial accounts' does that make them elitist too?

I have been in elitist corps, and alliances. check my history, I know and have been a member of corporations that require you have at least 55mil SP and require you to be able to fly billion isk ships on a whim, not to mention their capital requirements. They are elitist. And of course I have no problem with that. It's how they operate and how they are able to conquer vast regions of space.

MD
Jen Takhesis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-07-31 17:21:30 UTC
Quote:
What about all those hundreds of corps that have 'no trial accounts' does that make them elitist too?

MD


Yes. I wasn't implying it was a bad thing, just that it was true. Your definition is one, but elitist also means "restricted to an elite" or in this specific case "restricted to a group by virtue of the perceived superiority of experience at PvP vs lack of experience at same."
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-07-31 17:22:42 UTC
Jen Takhesis wrote:
Quote:
What about all those hundreds of corps that have 'no trial accounts' does that make them elitist too?

MD


Yes. I wasn't implying it was a bad thing, just that it was true. Your definition is one, but elitist also means "restricted to an elite" or in this specific case "restricted to a group by virtue of the perceived superiority of experience at PvP vs lack of experience at same."



I actually edited my previous post, while you were writing that, and have... updated my view.

MD
Cipio Alduin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-07-31 17:28:55 UTC
Maximus Decimal wrote:
First off, I'd like to say well done to rifterlings for staying on topic... good work. Yes there was a diplomatic incident and since then the rifterlings have remained securely in their holes and there as been no engagements including Biohazard. and rifterlings. in fact, I have had a few of your guys join my fleets, that right... fleets, the kind that rifterlings never puts up.

Secondly. Binkii Enat, you came to Biohazard. at a time when we were going through a lot of growing pains, we are still a young corp, but progressing nicely. A descision had to be made. Do we keep recruiting newbies and let them learn to PvP in our corp. At the expense of ever having a respectable killboard. At the expense of having my fleet commanders teach you the MOST BASIC of combat manouvers, such as d-scan, align, hold, anchor. At the expense of all the good work my friends and co-pilots put into the killboard being undone by newbies loosing ships left right and center, because... what, they join a PvP corp with zero experience in PvP.

Or, do we tighten up the recruitment policies, and start removing anyone who does not meet a standard that we expect.

I think you know which route we decided to take.

Biohazard. has gone from strength to strength after tightening up our recruitment, and our standing member base. our killboard is showing much improvement sitting at nearly 70% efficiency coming up towards 1000 kills this month (I'd like to add that for an alliance the size of point blank [rifterlings] their 226 kills so far this month is not really the same league as Biohazard. Infact, they are playing little league while we are influencing warzones in a major way. Point Blank alliance was actually formed in the same month as Biohazard. yet we lead them by around 1500 kills. Not a small number when your total is shy of 2500.... is it rifterlings.)

Binkii I'm truly sorry you were recruited without being fully aware of what was ahead of you, or that you were not informed beforehand what was happening. A Massive change was made to the corporation and you were one of the first to get das boot I'm afraid. I don't think it makes us elitist at all, and I do not regret my descision to remove you from corp one bit. I could have handled how I did it better I admit. I removed 21 bads from corp that day, so it's not personal.


MD


This is a pile of ****

You acted like assholes

You deserve everything you get
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-07-31 17:32:33 UTC
Cipio Alduin wrote:
Maximus Decimal wrote:
First off, I'd like to say well done to rifterlings for staying on topic... good work. Yes there was a diplomatic incident and since then the rifterlings have remained securely in their holes and there as been no engagements including Biohazard. and rifterlings. in fact, I have had a few of your guys join my fleets, that right... fleets, the kind that rifterlings never puts up.

Secondly. Binkii Enat, you came to Biohazard. at a time when we were going through a lot of growing pains, we are still a young corp, but progressing nicely. A descision had to be made. Do we keep recruiting newbies and let them learn to PvP in our corp. At the expense of ever having a respectable killboard. At the expense of having my fleet commanders teach you the MOST BASIC of combat manouvers, such as d-scan, align, hold, anchor. At the expense of all the good work my friends and co-pilots put into the killboard being undone by newbies loosing ships left right and center, because... what, they join a PvP corp with zero experience in PvP.

Or, do we tighten up the recruitment policies, and start removing anyone who does not meet a standard that we expect.

I think you know which route we decided to take.

Biohazard. has gone from strength to strength after tightening up our recruitment, and our standing member base. our killboard is showing much improvement sitting at nearly 70% efficiency coming up towards 1000 kills this month (I'd like to add that for an alliance the size of point blank [rifterlings] their 226 kills so far this month is not really the same league as Biohazard. Infact, they are playing little league while we are influencing warzones in a major way. Point Blank alliance was actually formed in the same month as Biohazard. yet we lead them by around 1500 kills. Not a small number when your total is shy of 2500.... is it rifterlings.)

Binkii I'm truly sorry you were recruited without being fully aware of what was ahead of you, or that you were not informed beforehand what was happening. A Massive change was made to the corporation and you were one of the first to get das boot I'm afraid. I don't think it makes us elitist at all, and I do not regret my descision to remove you from corp one bit. I could have handled how I did it better I admit. I removed 21 bads from corp that day, so it's not personal.


MD


This is a pile of ****

You acted like assholes

You deserve everything you get



Thanks for your input.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=alliance&name=Commonwealth+Coalition

Bring it on.
Cipio Alduin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-07-31 17:35:21 UTC
Maximus Decimal wrote:
Cipio Alduin wrote:
Maximus Decimal wrote:
First off, I'd like to say well done to rifterlings for staying on topic... good work. Yes there was a diplomatic incident and since then the rifterlings have remained securely in their holes and there as been no engagements including Biohazard. and rifterlings. in fact, I have had a few of your guys join my fleets, that right... fleets, the kind that rifterlings never puts up.

Secondly. Binkii Enat, you came to Biohazard. at a time when we were going through a lot of growing pains, we are still a young corp, but progressing nicely. A descision had to be made. Do we keep recruiting newbies and let them learn to PvP in our corp. At the expense of ever having a respectable killboard. At the expense of having my fleet commanders teach you the MOST BASIC of combat manouvers, such as d-scan, align, hold, anchor. At the expense of all the good work my friends and co-pilots put into the killboard being undone by newbies loosing ships left right and center, because... what, they join a PvP corp with zero experience in PvP.

Or, do we tighten up the recruitment policies, and start removing anyone who does not meet a standard that we expect.

I think you know which route we decided to take.

Biohazard. has gone from strength to strength after tightening up our recruitment, and our standing member base. our killboard is showing much improvement sitting at nearly 70% efficiency coming up towards 1000 kills this month (I'd like to add that for an alliance the size of point blank [rifterlings] their 226 kills so far this month is not really the same league as Biohazard. Infact, they are playing little league while we are influencing warzones in a major way. Point Blank alliance was actually formed in the same month as Biohazard. yet we lead them by around 1500 kills. Not a small number when your total is shy of 2500.... is it rifterlings.)

Binkii I'm truly sorry you were recruited without being fully aware of what was ahead of you, or that you were not informed beforehand what was happening. A Massive change was made to the corporation and you were one of the first to get das boot I'm afraid. I don't think it makes us elitist at all, and I do not regret my descision to remove you from corp one bit. I could have handled how I did it better I admit. I removed 21 bads from corp that day, so it's not personal.


MD


This is a pile of ****

You acted like assholes

You deserve everything you get



Thanks for your input.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=alliance&name=Commonwealth+Coalition

Bring it on.


No wonder u kicked him

what a childish remark, linking a KB, and? We don't do much pvp, so what?

Yawn, you're a tool.
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