Wormholes

You're faith about what's going to happen with a T3 nerf is commendable especially after a Dev states they "need to be put down like a rabid dog". Not much room for interpretation there. The fact that other CCP Devs will most likely temper that statement only serves to lead the rest of us to believe that the T3, while still existing in the game, will be a shadow of its former self. Arguments that are anti-t3-nerf are broader than the perceived "I win" ship for people who don't even fly them.

If CCP's attempt is to make T2's the primary pew ship for higher sp toons in the cruiser arena then that leads me to conclude that T3's are going to have less ability that all other T2's including the HAC which does not bode well for its future since very few people actually fly a HAC and for good reason.

And this, of course, leads us to the w-space economy which will be destroyed by being tied to a sole product that noone wants to buy. This has yet to be addressed by ANY DEV POST that I'm aware of which leads me to believe that it's not even a consideration.

So lets just sum up what will happen should the T3 become a useless hull.

1) Less pew if you can't field a cloaky tackle that isn't more than a wet paper bag. No local emphasizes cloakiness.
2) Ore sites are extremely dangerous for w-space making their usefulness for funding game play nil.
2a) If you want to get minerals out of w-space you're going to take a 25% cut off your time investment. Might as well go mine in nullsec. At least there you'll have local and a way to get your ore out in bulk.
3) Gas sites....well....since gas profitability is tied to T3's, guess you won't be making isk there.
4) Reactions....pointless to react gas.....but you could still react other items....tied to nullsec of course.
5) Sleeper farming will take a 30 - 70% income hit in C4 space since ribbon drops are random but also tied into T3 production.

Assuming CCP doesn't also remove NPC purchases for blue loot then where you could make 200mil/hr you'll make 100mil/hr farming sleepers in a C4. And for that level of income one can run incursions in HS without the risk, without the headaches and without the time sinks. It'll get a lot worse for people farming C3's and lower since they depend more on ribbon drops than blue loot. Their income will drop 60% - 80%. Whereas they can make 50mil/hr in a C2 now, they'll be making a paltry 10 - 20mil/hr....do we even need to consider C1 space at that point?

Since lower classes of w-space are the only systems that connect to k-space on a reliable basis, it'll also affect people from hs & ls that enjoy running into C1's C2's C3's for pew. C1's through C3's will be vast wastelands of emptiness since the majority of people who live there now will leave purely for the lack of profit potential. Those of us that live in there to pew will also be leaving since our chances to pew will greatly diminish.

How this will translate for the higher classes c5's & c6's is they will take about a 20 - 30% income hit since they depend more on blue loot than ribbons. Their phenomenal gas income will also take a crash dive. Their ability to field the large fleets that they do will be affected since the majority of their members can't escalate C5/6 sites and depend upon gas and ninjaing data/relic sites for income. The data/relic sites in c5/6 depend almost exclusively on T3 production for profitability. So, those lower skilled members will be leaving w-space as well. No isk, then they can't afford to pew. They'll have to leave. And with only cap pilots and a crumbling support fleet their willingness to pew will sharply drop. When they are already banging their heads against a wall about the lack of pew now, they're going to be absolutely bored out of their skulls after the T3 nerf. They won't even be able to probe a chain out to lower class w-space and find pew there.

Without more discussion from CCP about the T3 nerfs and how they perceive it to affect w-space and what they intend to do to compensate for it, if anything, then there's not much else that can be concluded other than w-space is going to become a vast wasteland of "not worth it".

I don't support the theory that CCP is attempting to kill off w-space. Then again, if that's the intention, I suppose this is a better method than just deleting the systems from their respective node and telling everyone to deal with it. Who knows, maybe they've already done that to completely empty systems and we just don't know about it yet. Lately, we've been connecting way too often to the same exact systems when we've been rolling our w-space static. In the past 2 weeks, we've reconnected to the same systems over and over again. I've never seen that happen this frequently and I've been in w-space for years.

**** post is messed up

i fly all races on 2 toons and have third toon that can fly 1 T3 they are OP reason why T2 line hardly is used. specialy in WHs and DED sites. its T3, T3 and more T3s why? because they are like gods

my point exactly nobody flies them because T3 does it better and needs less training

not a point you assume the worse without any reason to remember when the tengu nerf was announced? OMG everybody cried gallons and gallons of tears FFS see how powerfull they still are. yes they will loose power because they are just way over the top if you dont see that you sir are blind or and i think the last dont want to loose that huge edge of an OP ship

Nah its just a case of training the t3 specific skills (Subs etc) to 5
could put those sps into amarr

that is indeed strange i just saw it and found it worty of a quote and like

i just wish we had some more info but i understand its too early as its gonna be quit a task

why would anyone fly a T2 hull that only can do 1 task as a T3 can perform all those tasks better then any T2 hull can (that is SPECIALY made for that task) ? i asked this question in almost every reply in multiple topics about T3 rebalance nobody answers them i know why and so do you all.

and that is not counting how insanly OP the T3s are (or can be) its realy selfish people that wanna keep their OP T3 ship

no wonder the price of t3 just going down down down

I gave up on t3 a long time ago and now I just fly T1 because if it's too good in their eyes they're going to Nerf it.

just don't invest too much into this game you can pay for your subscription but do not pay anything extra like paying for plex or paying for goodies cuz in the end they're just gonna mess up your game.

I wonder if all that goon blood at CCP is partly to blame there's been a few new employees from the goon persuasion that have joined the ranks at CCP.

It takes 4 days to get all subs to 4 :/. They are all x1 skills not really an issue in the long run.

* rapier paper thin so hardly comparable as it just dies too fast but has slightly better web bonus then loki but who cares if you got paper tank they choose loki anyway
* any HAC (even with changes) dont stand a chance against a T3 even if that T3 is T2 fit
* commandship has 3% per lvl bonus and T3 5% per lvl and both can make decent tank but T3 can get away easier as it can be fitted with nullified and or coverops cloak funny as the T3 is way less training aswell

but keep thinking that mate

Yep, its not insane because 3 times more expensive than T2 and skill loss when die. You cant compare this two tiers...