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POS Fuel for C6

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Fuel Block
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-07-31 12:50:48 UTC
Hi,

I started this alt in order to found a corporation which will service all c6 residents with fuel blocks. In just a few days i will have the skills to found the corp and to start PI. oh and that POS stuff also. Until then i need to lay the ground work for how all C6 corps will now get fuel.

The plan is basically simple. I am going to setup a POS in some C6 with some undesirable effect like black hole or red giant. I don't really care what it is so long as it's got great PI. I will also have a small POS open to customers with GSC's full of fuel blocks and isotopes. Since i want 24/7 service customers will have to pay me on the honor system. That is when you take a certain amount of fuel block you will be required to send me the isk based on my pricing model.

To be a customer your Alliance/Corp will have to set me to blue and promise not to blow up my PI iteron. In return I will give the CEO or designated fuel directors the password to my sales office POS. I get paid for my efforts and you get the fuel you need when you need it.... All to power your PVP at a good price without all that logistics to higher sec.

no strings are attached.

According to my calculations on average every c6 will connect to my c6 at least every 16 days which is good enough for your fuel directors to keep POSs running.

I will always maintain neutral towards batphoning and evictions since my job is only to provide fuel. Eventually i will setup another POS where anyone at all can come and go, socialize with other C6 corps, or even arrange for fair fights. Sort of a lounge for C6 residents. I may even start market for other goods.

Also it will be OK to chat in local in my system. Just no scam spam. In the C6 life we all have honor

Once you C6 guys see that i am for real i would welcome your PI alts into my corp so we can pool resources and to do PI in peace.

This kind of thing will work for C6 once you all agree, if you are about to post some childish reply about stealing my fuel i would first urge you to talk to your CEO, for a limited time only I will give discounts to those corps who help out in establishing the first trade zone in C6/wormhole space ever.

You all can blow each other up everyday but let us all make history together with a common cause
Mr John Smith
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-31 13:17:44 UTC
A risky venture to be sure. Sound like raid bait to me, but at the same time the idea of a C6 fuel depot titillates me. I feel genuinely conflicted about this right now. I think I'll wait to see what others think first. Good luck in your endeavor.
Bradford Clear
Stain Train
Good Sax
#3 - 2013-07-31 13:44:32 UTC
I don't believe this is very plausible as most of the c6/c6 wormhole alliances already have their fuel issues sorted. Well, at least I do in our c6/c6. Also, expect people to reinforce your pos's constantly unless you have a fleet of capitals and sub caps to defend it.
Good luck in your endeavor however.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#4 - 2013-07-31 13:54:49 UTC
Ok.

I admit it.

I don't know if this is ignorance or trolling.

I really, really hope that this is some sort of raid bait.

How is your value proposition in any way better than what we currently have sorted?

If I assume you are not a troll, even though you might be

I'd like to hear your businees case

I mean it.

Bye.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-31 13:54:58 UTC
Fuel Block wrote:
Hi,



The plan is basically simple. I am going to setup a POS in some C6...

To be a customer your Alliance/Corp will have to set me to blue and promise not to blow up my PI iteron.

no strings are attached.

According to my calculations on average every c6 will connect to my c6 at least every 16 days...

I will always maintain neutral towards batphoning and evictions since my job is only to provide fuel.

Also it will be OK to chat in local in my system. Just no scam spam. In the C6 life we all have honor

Once you C6 guys see that i am for real i would welcome your PI alts into my corp so we can pool resources and to do PI in peace.




First, this is never going to work because in w-space everyone has at least 1 alt and some many others. Fuel issues are already sorted.

Second, noone is going to set you blue unless you can provide something else no strings attached.

Third, your calculations are wrong.

But, good luck in your learning experience. Sounds like it's going to be very painful but also very quick.

Don't ban me, bro!

Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-07-31 14:35:21 UTC
Not sure if troll or not but I like the idea. Hauling freighters of fuel is tiresome.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

Fuel Block
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-07-31 14:53:35 UTC
I'm not trolling.... but seriously raid bait? Think of it as The Big Blue of wormhole space, some idiots might try and take it down and so what i'll be out a POS, or you all could collectively make use of it.
Nix Anteris
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#8 - 2013-07-31 15:07:18 UTC
Normally I'd do some sarcastic mocking and question the sexuality of the OP, however...

Kudos for:

  • Creating content (for yourself and others)
  • Taking the risk head on (An honour system where honour is scarce)
  • Being vaguely original (I've seen similar ideas, but none quite like this)


There's no reason why this couldn't work with a few tweaks, but its still going to be trust based, there will always be loopholes and people will be able to rip you off.

Firstly, ditch the honour system - if people notice they connect to you regularly, let them set up an account and pay up front. Allow them to purchase on-demand if you are online. Use Large Audit Log containers and you can see who has taken from the containers and adjust their accounts appropriately. Still open to abuse, but less so than pure honour.

Setting up in a C6 gives you the best chance of repeat customers, however targeting C6 residents will not, target people with C6 statics - which is unfortunately only ~80 systems, that will be able to connect to you on a semi-regular basis. Your 16 day estimate feels like a number plucked from thin air. Entities who chain collapse may or may not connect more often, entities which let their holes decay naturally may not connect for months at a time.

Expect hostilities. Expect people to be watching your small tower with alts, to track down and get easy kills on haulers who might be using your services. "Known friendly PI person" is almost synonymous with "easy target"
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#9 - 2013-07-31 15:22:28 UTC

While I think you have some kinks to work out... I applaud your idea and your efforts!!!!

Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#10 - 2013-07-31 15:24:35 UTC
The idea is nice. But as people have already said most people have their fuel sorted out already. However if you can charge a fair enough price you might convince a few people that dont have the PI for pos fuel in their home system.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-31 16:00:34 UTC
This will never work simply because it is not economically feasible. Let me explain.

I order for you to maintain a presence in your own C6 and have enough fuel on hand to provide it to potential customers you will need a POS, a large pos will run you around 350m ISK (old number, might be more expensive). That is 350mil more then your competitors in Jita, so your fuel is now more expensive because you need to make up the 350mil monthly fee. Thus you are going to have to sell your fuel at a premium price in exchange for convenience, but guess what, its not very convenient because corps and alliance already have to do logistics. Besides fuel blocks they need ammo, ships, skill books and implants. So not only do they still have to go to Jita the fuel blocks there are cheaper, might as well haul it from there too.

I applaud your out of the box thinking but it simply won't work.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#12 - 2013-07-31 17:08:15 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
This will never work simply because it is not economically feasible. Let me explain.

I order for you to maintain a presence in your own C6 and have enough fuel on hand to provide it to potential customers you will need a POS, a large pos will run you around 350m ISK (old number, might be more expensive). That is 350mil more then your competitors in Jita, so your fuel is now more expensive because you need to make up the 350mil monthly fee. Thus you are going to have to sell your fuel at a premium price in exchange for convenience, but guess what, its not very convenient because corps and alliance already have to do logistics. Besides fuel blocks they need ammo, ships, skill books and implants. So not only do they still have to go to Jita the fuel blocks there are cheaper, might as well haul it from there too.

I applaud your out of the box thinking but it simply won't work.


It has possibilities. It won't work cause I do not believe anybody has tried to do it yet. No one has made a market in a wormhole before because of the logistical issues with it.

And yes everybody goes screaming to Jita, but that is time you've spent that you could have been doing other things. Convenience is not just something that can be thrown away as a useless commodity, Convenience = Time spent. Frankly, I like my time, and people will pay a premium just to avoid using theirs on something they see as a chore.

If that person has logistically figured out how to deal with the headaches of doing the hauling, he will have a market. Whether he'll survive more than a week without half the wormhole space lookling at him as a eviction target for free fuel, who knows. He has some negotiations to go through.

Yaay!!!!

Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#13 - 2013-07-31 17:23:14 UTC
I doubt this will work, but the idea is kind of interesting and trying will not cost you awfully much.

Our C6 does not have a C6 static, so it is unlikely we would get access to your system very often though.
JamesWyh
Probe Patrol
#14 - 2013-07-31 17:42:39 UTC
Fuel Block wrote:

Also it will be OK to chat in local in my system. Just no scam spam. In the C6 life we all have honor


Honor.

You are after my heart with you hard truths my friend.

Still don't know if this is troll or not..
Afuran
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-07-31 17:43:06 UTC
I cant wait to be one of your loyal customers- do you have any loyalty point system for frequent customers?
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#16 - 2013-07-31 17:57:12 UTC
Afuran wrote:
I cant wait to be one of your loyal customers- do you have any loyalty point system for frequent customers?



hehe well I can see there being a certain "trust" factor needed. It would be interesting to see if someone could setup something like that. Wormholes are so fringe though that there is little trust among people. Dunno. You'd need one hell of a business plan.

Yaay!!!!

Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-07-31 18:05:39 UTC
im mostly curious if you have any idea how much fuel the c6 alliances use. a small pos? that seems rather optimistic :D
SonicDust187
The Suicide Queens
Hard Knocks Executors
#18 - 2013-07-31 18:50:09 UTC
Small tower in C6 is a dead tower. Everyone imports or builds their own fuel.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-07-31 20:11:50 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
im mostly curious if you have any idea how much fuel the c6 alliances use. a small pos? that seems rather optimistic :D


this exactly.

I had 12 pi guys going at once and i think i worked out doing 24 hour cycles i could make the pi parts for 50 towers, considering alot of big wh corps could easily have 30 plus towers, i wonder just how many alts you will need.

Combine the above with just how much ice you will need to haul in (also assuming you bring in compressed stuff) you are still looking at a increadible amount of effort .

The amount of building comp arrays you will need to have going probably 24/7

If your doing that work you may as well set up in a c2 and haul yoru pi out to hisec and sell it.

I like the idea i just think it will be very hard to pull off, espically when most big wh corps have there fuel already sorted
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-07-31 21:23:33 UTC
Your idea is so cute I just way to hug it!
Seriously though, never, ever going to work.

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