EVE General Discussion

I don't know of any other way to prove my work unless you want a bunch of links.

Not proving me wrong is by default making me right. This thread has already shown my work in above mentioned links.

Beyond that, time dilation is still lag.

So link it.

No. You are wrong by default until you've proven yourself right. So far, you have not. Not proving you wrong still makes you wrong, with the only possible side-effect that the other side might be wrong as well.

No. Latency is a measurement of time to define routing and processing delays. TiDi increases the processing delay on the server side and tells the client to wait a bit longer for the result. Whether or not this creates lag depends on how much the client spams the server with new junk to process. TiDi ensures that the client doesn't do that.

Routing and processing delays impact latency, not define it. Well, the routing does. But latency is a measurement of time ie- speed.

And I do not have to prove myself right, again, as the threads have the links already. Find them yourself if you do not believe me.

Time dilation is still lag regardless. So any increase in time due to tidi is an increase of lag, not a decrease, as you have tried to say as you think tidi "removes" lag. It removes instability if it removes anything.

It increases lag.

Routing and processing delays are latency. And no, measurements of time are measurements of time, not speed. To have a speed, you need to measure something over time.

If you absolutely want to call latency a measurement of something other than time, it is of the somewhat abstract concept of (routing) distance.

…if you want to remain wrong. if you want to be right, though, you have to prove that you are. If the thread contains the links that does this, you can do it trivially.

…except that all it does is increases the processing delay on the server side and tells the client to wait a bit longer for the result. Whether or not this creates lag depends on how much the client spams the server with new junk to process. TiDi ensures that the client doesn't do that, which removes one of the principal causes of lag.

There is a definable difference between lag and TiDi.

Eve runs on one second ticks. If all is well you can expect that when you turn on a gun it will fire in one or maybe two ticks. When TiDi starts cutting in those ticks are no longer 1 second. At 50% TiDi they are two seconds long, and you can expect your gun to fire 2 to 4 seconds after turning it on.

At 10% TiDi those ticks are 10 seconds long. You would expect your guns to fire in 10 to 20 seconds after activation. If they take longer, say 5 minutes, then we have entered the realm of lag. TiDi allows more players to fight without lag. If it were not for TiDi issues with guns not turning on or off would occur with 1000 player fights.

Now here is the big important difference: With TiDi, but no lag, everyone will see the same response to module activation: One to two ticks of however long. With lag the delay between activating a gun and having it fire becomes much longer and more random.

TiDi slows the game for everyone equally and the game still works in a predictable manner. Lag slows it in different and random amounts for different people and the game works in an unpredictable manner.

Apparently in the 6V battle there was both TiDi and lag. it would be nice to not have either, but CCP has yet to figure out how to do that.

Good news: They are, and they have been since Incursion or thereabouts. Unfortunately, you're right that it will not be easy or quick or cheap to get multiple nodes to do the work that is currently done by one, but they're working on it as we speak.

Yep, that's the reason why a better solution hasn't already been implemented. However, that hasn't stopped them from working on it.

For those who continue to dismiss Tidi as unhelpful, perhaps you should try a few other games that allow a 4000 person battle and give us a report on how it went.

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The OP is so upset about being wrong that he has to dec the guilty!

NASA's computer are probably threaded behemot by now so it would not help all that much. The process that require a slowdown of the game to remain responding to command, if at a really slower rate, is not made to be divided on more processing unit. We are playing a 10 yo game. Removing some of the limitation linked to this will not happen by snapping our fingers.

TiDi does not increase lag. That's like saying traffic lights cause traffic jams.