Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then the pilot is going to have bad damage over time if he keeps piloting like a noob. That would be more easily identifiable with an in game damage meter showing his number of grazing hits.

Or the "slacker" was ECMd out. Or the "slacker" had a TD on them. Or the target was specifically piloting to keep his transversal up against the "slacker". Or the "slacker" was too far out of range when the FC switched targets. Or the 'slacker' got primaried and tried to mitigate incoming dps by pulling range or increasing transversal.

Fleet fights are not boss fights, and this idea is merely a way to cause people who don't understand game mechanics to penalize people needlessly.

You want to critique your fleetmates? Require several people to fraps the fights.

What about a pilot who flys different ships. You could be reshipping from high DPS to logi, to tackle over a period of a roam, a few days , weeks ect. Your DPS maybe be way lower than some one who flew a dps ship all the time. At least you can see what ship someone was flying on a KM and determine why there DPS was low.

I don't play WOW but my understanding is that certain Char types perform different rolls so you can't just become something else without changing chars which would then add to a separate meter.

So in the end of the day if the meter tracked over a long period then it would not work unless it had some sort of convoluted system to track what ship you where in (very complex to display that and not very useful) and if the period was to short then it would not allow for situational differences (ECM ect) .

You'll find them in the victim section

This is possibly the most pointless change request I've read in a while.

As expressed by Kalanaja, the dps output of an individual pilot is pretty much immaterial in an engagement in pvp due to all the reasons she's already explained. Killmails give you the overall dps of each attacking pilot and what ship they're in. If you want to analyse a fight to see which pilots have performed badly to either educate them or (if you're a ****) berate them you already have the tools at your disposal to do this.

Trying to suggest that a damage meter would be useful during an engagement is just plain stupid. It might be in WOW but it really wouldn't be in EVE. All it would do is create a point of argument at the point where people should be concentrating on what the FC is saying.

If used to aggregate values over time you might get some interesting trend information but then you can already do this with the information supplied.

This would be a waste of dev time.

-1 for pointless change.

Adding a dmg meter would't help at all or bring something valuable since you can already see applied dmg per player on the kill mail and thus figure quite easy who are the guys listening and following orders and those KM pubbies putting a gun per target just to be on it.

Could probably be interesting for very small engagements but when you're in fleets, and the larger they become the bigger are the issues, you already start by decreasing your graphic settings, then stop showing all brackets then stop showing drone models, then guns then missiles then missile effects then effects then particles and after all this you still have to fight with 10% Tidi...

Damage and damage application is quite complicated in EVE. A damage meter would show details a killmail never could. In addition a killmail is something that must be looked up and therefore often gets ignored or overlooked, while a damage meter is part of the UI.

Incursion runners do not even have killmails, and pick-up-fleets constantly have problems with leechers and slackers. Those people are often almost impossible to identify and replace. I think a damage meter would be greatly apriciated by the incursion communities.

Or he has a name that starts with A...

A damage meter usualy do not track over long periods, its up to the ones in charge of the fleet/group to use their common sense and memory. And because of this the type of ship does not matter. Someone who knows their stuff will be able to see if a player in a "bad" ship is making some effort or not. If that pilot is outdamaging another pilot with a much higher performance ship, for example.

Even ewar pilot performance would be measurable to some degree with a damage meter by simply tracking the number of enemy ships that were affected by its modules.

Or flies dreads/bs's a lot in sov games. No points for refing structures. I know this fun well. Had leadership on my ass once way back in one place.

why no km's?

Been refing pos' close to 3 weeks now, may want to do the bash ops you make us jump on if online sometime to get better roll call.

Think in like 1.5 years in the blob I actually killed a pos less than 10 times. Always just on that 1st Reffing op it seems. First station kill/claim pissed me off too. Wtf you mean we shot this station for an hour straight and only the last guy who gets a shot in actually gets something (his corp gets credit for the station claim anyway).