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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#61 - 2013-07-28 23:08:44 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Was Zimmerman guilty of the crimes he was charged with? No. Police and local prosecutors declined to prosecute because they saw the clear evidence of self-defense.

Once Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and began beating him, anything else Zimmerman may have done up to that point didn't matter. Racism had zero to do with whether or not the shooting was in self-defense, and as that was Zimmerman's defense in the trial everything rightly turned upon the evidence for or against self-defense. The verdict was correct.

Should Zimmerman have confronted Trayvon? No. If Zimmerman had not put himself in that position, he wouldn't have had to make the choice to shoot. Trayvon would still be alive. Trayvon's blood is on Zimmerman's hands, and he will have to answer for it to a higher authority. Zimmerman killed in self-defense, but he created the situation in which he would need to kill.

If anything, the laws need to be tuned to address this. Perhaps the Stand Your Ground law in Florida could be adjusted, but I doubt anyone is wise enough to adjust the law properly. Nor would it matter if it could, in this case.


And Trayvon's actions were completely without consequences? The young dope head thug chose to double back and confront Zimmerman. Contrary to popular opinion, old Tray got what he deserved! He doubtfully would have not lived to the ripe age of 21 on the path he was walkin.... Liver damage from too much drank and lean, wannabe gangster hoodie, suspension from school for fight club, stupid punk with his ass hanging out and pants down... Sorry, but Darwin is correct.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#62 - 2013-07-29 03:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Diablo Ex wrote:
dope head


This had little, and I mean little if anything at all, to do with his actions. So please take your anti 'drug' moral high ground elsewhere.

I will also take this chance to state that anyone that wants to discharge a weapon in public, in-self defense or not, better be ready to suffer the full on consequences of their actions if that bullet kills an innocent. I also want to jump ahead and say that consequences in my statement have a very broad meaning
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#63 - 2013-07-29 08:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Diablo Ex
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
dope head


This had little, and I mean little if anything at all, to do with his actions. So please take your anti 'drug' moral high ground elsewhere.

I will also take this chance to state that anyone that wants to discharge a weapon in public, in-self defense or not, better be ready to suffer the full on consequences of their actions if that bullet kills an innocent. I also want to jump ahead and say that consequences in my statement have a very broad meaning


Content of Character dude... Content of Character...

Gun Control is hitting what your aiming at, although collateral damage does occur.
Remember that in the State of Florida, anyone killed by a firearm during the commission of a felony is the ultimate responsibility of the one that is committing the crime. If I shoot someone that is committing a felony and accidentally injure or kill a bystander, then (Surprise) the guilt falls upon the perp. Ex... Liqueur store owner gets held up by a thug with a machete, Store owner pulls a handgun in defense and starts shooting, a customer catches a stray bullet... guess who catches the gun charge... right, the thug with the machete who decided to rob a liqueur store.

If you don't like Florida Laws, don't live there... you have 49 other places you can go.

Edit: "Moral High ground"? - WTF is that.... I play EvE Online, and have a toon name of Diablo Ex... Moral? Seriously?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#64 - 2013-07-29 22:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Diablo Ex wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
dope head


This had little, and I mean little if anything at all, to do with his actions. So please take your anti 'drug' moral high ground elsewhere.

I will also take this chance to state that anyone that wants to discharge a weapon in public, in-self defense or not, better be ready to suffer the full on consequences of their actions if that bullet kills an innocent. I also want to jump ahead and say that consequences in my statement have a very broad meaning


Content of Character dude... Content of Character...

Gun Control is hitting what your aiming at, although collateral damage does occur.
Remember that in the State of Florida, anyone killed by a firearm during the commission of a felony is the ultimate responsibility of the one that is committing the crime. If I shoot someone that is committing a felony and accidentally injure or kill a bystander, then (Surprise) the guilt falls upon the perp. Ex... Liqueur store owner gets held up by a thug with a machete, Store owner pulls a handgun in defense and starts shooting, a customer catches a stray bullet... guess who catches the gun charge... right, the thug with the machete who decided to rob a liqueur store.

If you don't like Florida Laws, don't live there... you have 49 other places you can go.

Edit: "Moral High ground"? - WTF is that.... I play EvE Online, and have a toon name of Diablo Ex... Moral? Seriously?


I understand Florida Law, I lived there for 4 years and I mentioned nothing of Gun Control as I am a firm believer that anyone that wants to get a concealed carry permit should be allowed if they jump their Locales hoops.

As this is a national topic of conversation at this point, my comment was directed to anyone in the States that decides to do the same thing that Zimmerman did, which was to carry a concealed weapon for self defense purposes. There is a good chance that most States do not afford the same protection as the State Florida does. Better to remind people of Common Law, then to ignore the potential catastrophes, as the education system in the States is mostly **** poor and self education is mostly non existent.

P.S. You called a criminal a dope head. That is a term typically used by those that sit on moral high ground, as non weed smokers, that believe themselves better than those that do smoke weed and want to imply that those that do smoke weed are all violent worthless criminals. So I went with the content of your statement. My badddd Ugh As for your name I assume nothing from someones name lol!
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2013-07-30 11:28:23 UTC
Homicide is homicide, regardless of how many times you dress it nicely with words like "self-defense" or "justifiable".

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#66 - 2013-07-30 12:31:33 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Homicide is homicide, regardless of how many times you dress it nicely with words like "self-defense" or "justifiable".



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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-07-30 12:35:51 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Homicide is homicide, regardless of how many times you dress it nicely with words like "self-defense" or "justifiable".

Not all homicides are crimes though, and self-defense is not "dressing it up" at all. It is the very difference between the lawful and unlawful killing of a human being.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2013-07-30 13:30:03 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Homicide is homicide, regardless of how many times you dress it nicely with words like "self-defense" or "justifiable".

Not all homicides are crimes though, and self-defense is not "dressing it up" at all. It is the very difference between the lawful and unlawful killing of a human being.


In my country, the law about self-defense says that unless that unless your life is being threatened, you may only use enough violence to get you to safety or to incapacitate.

For a cop wannabe like Zimmerman, I frankly find it strange that Zimmerman was on his own and not paired up with someone else if it was for the "good of the neighborhood".

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Eternal Error
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-07-30 22:36:07 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:

If anything, the laws need to be tuned to address this. Perhaps the Stand Your Ground law in Florida could be adjusted, but I doubt anyone is wise enough to adjust the law properly. Nor would it matter if it could, in this case.

In the U.S. the alternative to "stand your ground" is "duty to retreat". Given the evidence presented at trial (Trayvon allegedly pinned Zimmerman to the ground), Zimmerman would have been found innocent in basically any state in the U.S.

That being said, he might have been detained for a bit longer in a duty to retreat state.
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-07-31 03:09:07 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Homicide is homicide, regardless of how many times you dress it nicely with words like "self-defense" or "justifiable".

Not all homicides are crimes though, and self-defense is not "dressing it up" at all. It is the very difference between the lawful and unlawful killing of a human being.


In my country, the law about self-defense says that unless that unless your life is being threatened, you may only use enough violence to get you to safety or to incapacitate.

For a cop wannabe like Zimmerman, I frankly find it strange that Zimmerman was on his own and not paired up with someone else if it was for the "good of the neighborhood".

So even by the laws of your country, Zimmerman would be considered not guilty.
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-07-31 03:14:58 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Was Zimmerman guilty of the crimes he was charged with? No. Police and local prosecutors declined to prosecute because they saw the clear evidence of self-defense.

Once Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and began beating him, anything else Zimmerman may have done up to that point didn't matter. Racism had zero to do with whether or not the shooting was in self-defense, and as that was Zimmerman's defense in the trial everything rightly turned upon the evidence for or against self-defense. The verdict was correct.

Should Zimmerman have confronted Trayvon? No. If Zimmerman had not put himself in that position, he wouldn't have had to make the choice to shoot. Trayvon would still be alive. Trayvon's blood is on Zimmerman's hands, and he will have to answer for it to a higher authority. Zimmerman killed in self-defense, but he created the situation in which he would need to kill.

If anything, the laws need to be tuned to address this. Perhaps the Stand Your Ground law in Florida could be adjusted, but I doubt anyone is wise enough to adjust the law properly. Nor would it matter if it could, in this case.


And Trayvon's actions were completely without consequences? The young dope head thug chose to double back and confront Zimmerman. Contrary to popular opinion, old Tray got what he deserved! He doubtfully would have not lived to the ripe age of 21 on the path he was walkin.... Liver damage from too much drank and lean, wannabe gangster hoodie, suspension from school for fight club, stupid punk with his ass hanging out and pants down... Sorry, but Darwin is correct.

That side of the picture was moot. Whatever things Trayvon did, not just at that moment, but every single thing he ever did wrong in his life, he paid for right there, in that moment. I'm not talking about karma either, as I don't believe in that. When we die, it is the maximum price any of us can pay, forever. Justice and morality are for the living, sadly, not the dead.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2013-07-31 09:20:52 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Homicide is homicide, regardless of how many times you dress it nicely with words like "self-defense" or "justifiable".

Not all homicides are crimes though, and self-defense is not "dressing it up" at all. It is the very difference between the lawful and unlawful killing of a human being.


In my country, the law about self-defense says that unless that unless your life is being threatened, you may only use enough violence to get you to safety or to incapacitate.

For a cop wannabe like Zimmerman, I frankly find it strange that Zimmerman was on his own and not paired up with someone else if it was for the "good of the neighborhood".

So even by the laws of your country, Zimmerman would be considered not guilty.


I doubt Zimmerman would be considered "not guilty" here, he might get a shorter prison term or some really hefty fines. But I doubt that he would walk free.

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CCP Falcon
#73 - 2013-07-31 10:42:45 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
After the verdict of this trial soooo many people are waffling on many forums and news sites....


And they can feel free to do so.

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