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Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#161 - 2013-07-30 20:52:24 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
When players try to compare WoW and EvE PvP -- and they don't play BOTH games to understand BOTH games CURRENTLY -- the comments usually becomes a bunch of sour grapes, especially with personal attacks.

Pointless banter.
…which is the main reason people ask you to get informed before you try, because your posts tend to fall afoul of exactly that.

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If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive.
Have you tried it?



If she has, there is no record of it anywhere - win or loss.

Ace, come out to Curse sometime and learn all about how simplistic and relaxing EVE pvp isn't, and how stupid it is to compare it to WoW pvp. The two aren't even like apples and oranges - it's more like basketballs and bicycles. I'm sure you'll be very relaxed when you jump to a gate only to be unexpectedly sucked into an interdictor bubble the is actually behind the gate, then when you find yourself unable to get out of it while you're being targeted, shot at, watching your ship go into structure, kaboom, then your pod is blown up (perhaps with expensive implants plugged in) and you find yourself in some station many jumps away. Hope that clone is updated. This is a very relaxing kind of pvp, I am certain you will agree.




It took me 2 or 3 trips out of nul to realize every entrance had dem bubbles. Each time carrying anything from 50-150m (multiple times more then I owned at the time). When they blew me up I laughed each and every time. When my two 100m+ harbingers were taken out I laughed and bought new ones. Laughing is very relaxing, I am certain you will agree.

shanky, pshh, a few hundred mil, please bro thats nothing, try losing blah blah blah. I just got out of the tutorials 3 weeks ago. I'm sure when I have played a year + then 1-10bil will make me laugh also.

In comes 150bil loss kill mail. I don't care to be honest.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#162 - 2013-07-30 20:57:25 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
When players try to compare WoW and EvE PvP -- and they don't play BOTH games to understand BOTH games CURRENTLY -- the comments usually becomes a bunch of sour grapes, especially with personal attacks.

Pointless banter.
…which is the main reason people ask you to get informed before you try, because your posts tend to fall afoul of exactly that.

Quote:
If I PvP in EvE it's more to relax, as I won't find it very competitive.
Have you tried it?



If she has, there is no record of it anywhere - win or loss.

Ace, come out to Curse sometime and learn all about how simplistic and relaxing EVE pvp isn't, and how stupid it is to compare it to WoW pvp. The two aren't even like apples and oranges - it's more like basketballs and bicycles. I'm sure you'll be very relaxed when you jump to a gate only to be unexpectedly sucked into an interdictor bubble the is actually behind the gate, then when you find yourself unable to get out of it while you're being targeted, shot at, watching your ship go into structure, kaboom, then your pod is blown up (perhaps with expensive implants plugged in) and you find yourself in some station many jumps away. Hope that clone is updated. This is a very relaxing kind of pvp, I am certain you will agree.




It took me 2 or 3 trips out of nul to realize every entrance had dem bubbles. Each time carrying anything from 50-150m (multiple times more then I owned at the time). When they blew me up I laughed each and every time. When my two 100m+ harbingers were taken out I laughed and bought new ones. Laughing is very relaxing, I am certain you will agree.

shanky, pshh, a few hundred mil, please bro thats nothing, try losing blah blah blah. I just got out of the tutorials 3 weeks ago. I'm sure when I have played a year + then 1-10bil will make me laugh also.

In comes 150bil loss kill mail. I don't care to be honest.



Of course, you could learn to avoid them entirely and engage the bubble campers on your own terms or just keep going on your merry way. But that would involve admitting that you don't know something about a game!


;)


> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2013-07-30 21:04:56 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Ace, come out to Curse sometime and learn all about how simplistic and relaxing EVE pvp isn't, and how stupid it is to compare it to WoW pvp.


One question for you: do you play both games at level 90? Yes or no will suffice.

BTW, I have an alt there for years, Trude. He was out there during 2010 when there was a power vacuum there, and folks were vying for a piece of the pie.

Did you really think I'm that new?

LolPirateBear

PvP there, even during that power struggle, wasn't anything like a weekly CP cap in WoW. Seriously.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#164 - 2013-07-30 21:06:15 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
WoW had pvp.. rofl.. This epeen seeking guy is funny.. And you made a comment to EVE relying on SP being the key deciding factor but WoW was all about the gear you had so how did that pathetic of a game keep your interest when you are in a way complaining bout the same ****..


Never did I say SP was the deciding factor

WOW didn't have pvp? You sound as though you couldn't cut it in arena, my favorite form of pvp in an MMO. You can compare your comment very heavily to what some players have said to me on this forum. Where you complain about not having the gear in WOW to compete in arena, I complain about not having the SP to compete in the small fights on eve. In wow when I was playing extensively, I would roll many new characters and with rocking just blues in some cases, destroy these heavily geared players because I had the knowledge to. Full set of the lowest tier purples and it was game over for them until I got near players who were getting close to being equally skilled. HOWEVER When I first started wow, such as I have with eve, it was quite different. I needed the gear to compete on an equal level because I didn't have the knowledge.


Except this isn't the case in EVE. A player who has been playing a long time can make a dumb, dumb move in a big, heavily tanked, expensive ship and get roflstomped by a gang of nooby scrubs in rickety cheap ships with T1 fittings (led by a couple of vets who were constantly on the verge of wondering if were all going to get killed -- but we never did).

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154898
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154588

No, you're just another WoW trash-talking arena jock who is butthurt that he hasn't been able to casually stroll into this game and start getting amazing 1v1 kills from the start. You could have been getting good experience and group kills long before now if you had even a sliver of humility.

I halfway that hope you stick around long enough in the game to be embarrassed by this thread.


Yes, this is the only game where making a dumb, dumb mistake causes you to lose.. omg the world of eve is so unique to other games.

That kill mail rofl. Very nice job, I'm incredibly impressed with your ability to orbit a defenseless ship with 100 other people and click your modules on then go grab a sandwich while you rep'd his drones damage. Very nice. Not even going to look at the second one.


The point, it continues to go "whoosh" over your head. "Defenseless"? In their sov, with another of the same BC next to him and a cynabal there shooting at us as well. We were the ones in danger there - but we chose to go there, get it? And who cares if it was defenseless anyway? EVE is dog-eat-dog open world pvp, son. There ain't no arena rules here so bleating about 'skill' in regards to a killmail like this only goes in the opposite direction: the pilot of the BC messed up and let himself get into a situation where he got taken out by a bunch of scrubs in Talwars.

If you're going to only play honorable then you're only going to continue to get lossmails. However, a guy who played WoW arena knows fully well how to play dirty; it's just the culture of WoW's primitive meta game to trash-talk your opponents by questioning eir ethics and honor. That doesn't fly here.



No you obviously missed the point. The point is no matter how long you have been playing a game, making a dumb dumb mistake causes you to lose. Eve is not unique in that aspect.

That second kill mail you posted was defending the first? Interesting how you ended up getting the kill on him an hour after the first.
I never really learned anything about how to fight dirty in wows arenas. I'm not even sure how you would go about that tbh. Trash talking? I rarely was able to speak to them unless they were from my server. If I did speak to them it was usually respectful because they were very good players. If by the off chance I did argue with them it wouldn't be to question their... honor... wtf? lol. Also I'm pretty certain I can question whatever I want here and it will fly just fine.

Fighting dirty is all good and fun. If you wanna ambush a ship with 60 others then by all means go for it. If you wanna ambush my ship with 10,000 ships then by all means go for it. I'm sure I will end up doing it at one point or another and not feel any remorse. Don't expect people to be impressed by it though.
Prince Kobol
#165 - 2013-07-30 21:08:38 UTC
For me the its those who I play with.

I count myself very lucky that I have good friends and a good corp.

Without these I mostly likely would of quit Eve a while ago.

I find null sec very frustrating mainly due to the hateful Sov Mechanics and that I can earn much more isk on my HS alt mission running semi afk in relativity safety then in the most dangerous part of NPC Null Sec.
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#166 - 2013-07-30 21:11:53 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:



Of course, you could learn to avoid them entirely and engage the bubble campers on your own terms or just keep going on your merry way. But that would involve admitting that you don't know something about a game!


;)




Engage them, what. Why? I fly a heron/magnate when I go to nul, no thx. I just learned how to go past them. There is a lot I don't know about this game, A LOT.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#167 - 2013-07-30 21:29:48 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:


No you obviously missed the point. The point is no matter how long you have been playing a game, making a dumb dumb mistake causes you to lose. Eve is not unique in that aspect.

That second kill mail you posted was defending the first? Interesting how you ended up getting the kill on him an hour after the first.



No man, the two kills were unrelated except for happening on the same afternoon in the same sov space to the same corp. We were roaming. The circumstances surrounding the myrmidon kill is what I was talking about.


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Fighting dirty is all good and fun. If you wanna ambush a ship with 60 others then by all means go for it. If you wanna ambush my ship with 10,000 ships then by all means go for it. I'm sure I will end up doing it at one point or another and not feel any remorse. Don't expect people to be impressed by it though.


Lol, well, I hate to break it to you but that what is a lot of the pvp in this game consists of, but contrary to your assumption, this isn't because EVE is a skill-less game. It's because the pvp in this game is radically different - really. The sooner you open your mind up about this, the more fun you will have.

Also - flying a Harbinger at three weeks in? That's the WoW gear/leveling mindset there, thinking that because a ship is bigger it must be better. At three weeks you should have been maxing out your frigate/destroyer skills and maybe starting to think about a cruiser.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Agnum Foster
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2013-07-30 21:32:05 UTC
Hey OP, for having such amazing twitch gaming skills, you sure do a great job of losing your pod pretty much every time you lose your ship. I guess aligning out and warping isn't engaging enough for you.Roll
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2013-07-30 21:40:09 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
shanky, pshh, a few hundred mil, please bro thats nothing, try losing blah blah blah. I just got out of the tutorials 3 weeks ago. I'm sure when I have played a year + then 1-10bil will make me laugh also.


What's funny in all of this huffing and puffing is just 3 days into the game I was already mining solo in null. My first PvP death wasn't in high sec or even low sec, it was null proper in an itty bitty frigate scoping the belts (pretty ABC ore there, when ore was mountain sized). Second time was moving ore from low sec after a Jaspet run.

I was already out there without some blob helping me, nor needing 200 billion ISK or 200 million SP. Back then 3 days into the game, was still leveling learning skills, forget weapons/hulls training.(don't kid yourself it doesn't exist in EvE, either).

All the big bad wolves are but big bad wolves huffing and puffing (and some probably came into EvE after I did!).

Oh, yeah I'm proud to say it: I play WoW, too.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#170 - 2013-07-30 21:42:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
One question for you: do you play both games at level 90? Yes or no will suffice.
Why do you include the option “yes” when it is not a valid answer?

You do know that you can't reach level 90 in both games, right?
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#171 - 2013-07-30 21:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Shanky Shanks
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:


No you obviously missed the point. The point is no matter how long you have been playing a game, making a dumb dumb mistake causes you to lose. Eve is not unique in that aspect.

That second kill mail you posted was defending the first? Interesting how you ended up getting the kill on him an hour after the first.



No man, the two kills were unrelated except for happening on the same afternoon in the same sov space to the same corp. We were roaming. The circumstances surrounding the myrmidon kill is what I was talking about.


Quote:
Fighting dirty is all good and fun. If you wanna ambush a ship with 60 others then by all means go for it. If you wanna ambush my ship with 10,000 ships then by all means go for it. I'm sure I will end up doing it at one point or another and not feel any remorse. Don't expect people to be impressed by it though.


Lol, well, I hate to break it to you but that what is a lot of the pvp in this game consists of, but contrary to your assumption, this isn't because EVE is a skill-less game. It's because the pvp in this game is radically different - really. The sooner you open your mind up about this, the more fun you will have.

Also - flying a Harbinger at three weeks in? That's the WoW gear/leveling mindset there, thinking that because a ship is bigger it must be better. At three weeks you should have been maxing out your frigate/destroyer skills and maybe starting to think about a cruiser.


I get it, my mind has been opened. This game is fight with odds in your favor. Doesn't make it anymore impressive. I don't believe that makes this game skill-less though. Getting yourself in to the point of the advantage would take some work and thought. Eve is not world of warcraft, the point has been beat dead. Some of the aspects are similar though, lets be real now.

No, flying a harbinger three weeks in is not anything special. Bigger is better in some aspects. I'm flying a harbinger because I don't know how to do level 3 missions in a frigate or destroyer. If I believed bigger was better I would be in a battleship right now, but I do not believe I have the sp to handle a battleship in level fours at the moment. Even though I could technically be in one in about 18 hours If i decided to train it. I'm doing just fine with my crappy 300 dps harbinger that can tank all level 3's at the moment though. I don't think I jumped in to it too soon at all. After running it through quite a few C1 wormholes, it was inevitable I would be caught eventually, and I was.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2013-07-30 21:49:38 UTC
Agnum Foster wrote:
Hey OP, for having such amazing twitch gaming skills, you sure do a great job of losing your pod pretty much every time you lose your ship. I guess aligning out and warping isn't engaging enough for you.Roll


That 1mil killmail is soooooo ePeen stroking good, huh?

Meanwhile, in EvE, there are players that ALL that they do is kill pods. Cheapest ship with the cheapest weapons (zero rigs) does nothing but pod kill. With a scam on top of it if you add to his bounty, as he'll keep you paying out for eternity, too.

Don't ever claim EvE is difficult PvP or skill wise....ever.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#173 - 2013-07-30 21:56:17 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
shanky, pshh, a few hundred mil, please bro thats nothing, try losing blah blah blah. I just got out of the tutorials 3 weeks ago. I'm sure when I have played a year + then 1-10bil will make me laugh also.


What's funny in all of this huffing and puffing is just 3 days into the game I was already mining solo in null. My first PvP death wasn't in high sec or even low sec, it was null proper in an itty bitty frigate scoping the belts (pretty ABC ore there, when ore was mountain sized). Second time was moving ore from low sec after a Jaspet run.

I was already out there without some blob helping me, nor needing 200 billion ISK or 200 million SP. Back then 3 days into the game, was still leveling learning skills, forget weapons/hulls training.(don't kid yourself it doesn't exist in EvE, either).

All the big bad wolves are but big bad wolves huffing and puffing (and some probably came into EvE after I did!).

Oh, yeah I'm proud to say it: I play WoW, too.


Indeed. I don't believe my first death was nul but I believe the majority outside of faction war were. Coming into this game solo and making a billion isk before having a million sp isn't difficult. Nerf Google.

I hung up my WOW towel towards the end of Cata. League of legends is the game these days. If you enjoy fun pvp and haven't tried it, I recommend you do.
stoicfaux
#174 - 2013-07-30 22:04:32 UTC
It's not that the game is interesting, it's that even an infinite cesspool of pr0n gets boring after a while.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2013-07-30 22:16:17 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
I hung up my WOW towel towards the end of Cata. League of legends is the game these days. If you enjoy fun pvp and haven't tried it, I recommend you do.


Yeah, noticing SacredHeals is over there making videos about LoL during the same lull that got me to resub to EvE. Maybe when I have time I'll give LoL a look (sis wants to raid in 5.4, so will have to mothball EvE to catch up on gearing to be ready to host raids, let alone have 16k CP points to somehow get). Shocked

Like playing the various games out there to see what's up, and enjoy playing the features these games are providing.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Shanky Shanks
Shanky Shanks Corporation
#176 - 2013-07-30 22:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Shanky Shanks
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Shanky Shanks wrote:
I hung up my WOW towel towards the end of Cata. League of legends is the game these days. If you enjoy fun pvp and haven't tried it, I recommend you do.


Yeah, noticing SacredHeals is over there making videos about LoL during the same lull that got me to resub to EvE. Maybe when I have time I'll give LoL a look (sis wants to raid in 5.4, so will have to mothball EvE to catch up on gearing to be ready to host raids, let alone have 16k CP points to somehow get). Shocked

Like playing the various games out there to see what's up, and enjoy playing the features these games are providing.


I still love WOW to death, I just hate playing a game as much as I did wow. I still get the itch for it every once in a while. Especually after watching videos, like the one you linked. I don't even like playing paladins all that much but I want to right now. The new expansion looked really interesting with the way they redid talents.

Some nice things about LOL is it's completely free, the games range from 20-50 minutes and you can play 1 a week or 100 a week. I started it as something to do in between arenas in wow. I believe it is the largest pc game in the world right now, but I may be mistaken. Either way be careful if you do start, it can be extremely addicting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gclBsjvcZ9s This video probably means nothing if you haven't played the game and it is blury in quite a few parts too make that worse. You may find it interesting though. He is the best ADC (attack damage carry) in NA, if not the world.
Otto Drezden
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2013-07-30 23:02:15 UTC
The EVE Online community is one of the most active, heavily invested gaming communities around. The podcasts, the blog sites, the player run events/created content, the developer/player interactions; this is what keeps me interested in the game. As a result of this community effort, it is easy to stay current on the endless amount of space drama. Let's face it, drama is entertaining, especially when you are only hearing about it.

As far as the PvP goes, you should really spend some time in a more light-hearted PvP corp (like RvB or perhaps a new-player-friendly FW corp) and get more exposure to small-gang warfare. Being in a small fleet with a laid back, skilled FC is a lot of fun, and you will learn a lot of stuff that will help you as you transition into solo PvP. That first evenly-matched (more or less) 1v1 kill is an "aha" moment for a lot of combat pilots. Not only did you best/outsmart another pilot, but you took his stuffz, too.

CCP has done an amazing job of creating a world where consequences matter, whether that is in-game or in real life as a result of the metagame. Ultimately though, EVE is one of those games you either "get," or you don't. Hope you stick around long enough to take it all in and drink the kool-aid with the rest of us.
Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#178 - 2013-07-31 01:25:07 UTC
Shanky Shanks wrote:
What is there to do in this game that is interesting and keeps you playing? I've been playing for a month and tried what seems like everything there is to offer. Lvl 3 security missions are a joke and slightly more dangerous then mining, sometimes you gotta shoot the guy webbing you sometimes you gotta press the e key (keep distance from) when taking too much damage. Null sec exploration is free money when you learn to get past these eve veterans that are complete trash at setting up blockades. Faction war is a waiting period until you can match the sp levels of these guys rocking atleast twice the damage and hull as you. Wormholes are just an advanced security mission where you gotta spam your dscan. In the past there have been 3 games I've dedicated my time to (World of warcraft, league of legends and socom II) I have been in the top 1% of players in their arenas, so I love every aspect of pvp, but it feels so dry in this game. I've made over a billion isk within my short time playing and am feeling as though this game presents no challenge. I've watched some youtube videos and watched guys clicking all over their screen as they fight other pilots.......Who in the hell clicks in pvp, It's hotkeys and hotkeys only, miliseconds matter, None the less these pilots win battle after battle which tells me this game is really nothing but a "I've got more time invested into skills then you" game.

I really want to enjoy this game. I love the idea of this game, I love space, space ships, pvp, making in game money, challenges and grinds but none of it seems to be keeping my attention. Where is the challenge and where is the fun in this game? What do YOU do that keeps you hooked? As of right now I feel like sitting in a hangar for a few months waiting for reasonable skills to be trained.

EVE PvP and the game in general is about consequences. Yes, PvP is not like, say, GW2, but its more intellectual, and you get that 'rush' because one person in the fight is gonna lose a ship they worked for, and everything in it.

In WoW, you die. So what? you revive yourself. Imagine you lost ALL your gear and your ENTIRE inventory when you died in WoW. Its these consequences that make it such a thrill. Its the effect. Like the 6VDT-H battle. Tidi sucks. Blob warfare sucks. Was it epic? yes. Why? Because it mattered in the game. Someone else OWNS their own part of a game and fought for it. It affects the economy and the future.

Another thing: EVE builds real relationships with people. Your corp members are not your "guildies." If you don't know your corpmates well, you're doing it wrong. Things such as scams or trickery are what keep the game exciting. It may suck to fall victim to someone else's scheme, but even when you do, you're thinking, "wow, I have never experienced something like that before."

Its these factors of realism that keep the game interesting. Its the fact that everything matters. If you don't enjoy the game, you are not sensing this realism.

Maybe you've been a carebear too long? Try FW again. Yes, the skill point disparity is quite annoying, but even if they are higher skilled than you you can stilll get in a good fight. I have low SP, and i almost never win fights. But i still have them, because i have the PvP skills and get get an even fight with anyone, even if i ultimately lose every time when they have half their hull hp left.

Otherwise, all i can say is that eve is a slooooow game. Some simply cannot deal with this.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#179 - 2013-07-31 01:38:29 UTC
Ivan Krividus wrote:
In WoW, you die. So what? you revive yourself. Imagine you lost ALL your gear and your ENTIRE inventory when you died in WoW. Its these consequences that make it such a thrill. Its the effect. Like the 6VDT-H battle. Tidi sucks. Blob warfare sucks. Was it epic? yes. Why? Because it mattered in the game. Someone else OWNS their own part of a game and fought for it. It affects the economy and the future.


EvE is setup that what you did lose can be rebuilt or bought.

Gear in WoW is mostly Soulbound and gotten via RNG rolls or farming for valor or conquest points (and losing current tier gear that takes months to acquire would hurt much worse than losing even a 200 billion ISK ship in a game where alliances can cover it anyway, at any time).

The ships in EvE doesn't become worthless in a tier patch, either.

The same reason WoW doesn't allow full looting upon death in PvP, is the same reason EvE doesn't have permadeath for 120 million SP toons.

Pointless.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2013-07-31 09:33:01 UTC
Saji'us wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
4/10

Well played


Meh I'd say 5/10 for length.

Revised to 6/10 for length and 7/10 for constant WoW discussion.

Final score: 7/10