EVE General Discussion

Except racists run the world, they're just shrewd enough to keep it behind closed doors.

By the way:
Keep posting. I find your posts immensely entertaining. 07

Actually, the Icelandic version is fairly strong, albeit less easy to understand.

It *does* open a door for public intrusion in the form of 'morals' - Morals are basically popular opinion, when you get right down to things - but it also opens a LOT of room for courts to 'adjust for windage.' The other explicit exceptions are similar to the US exceptions, but are stated up-front, rather than burried in legal precident.

Bottom line: Iceland is set-up more for consensus than for absolutes. In a small, not-terribly-populous country where access to government is relatively easy (no time/distance issues, like there were in the early US), their version probably works better. For them.

I agree that it's strong. I'm just a fan of absolutes on some things. Free Speech is one of them.
And I agree that most of the same exceptions have been carved out, I think there's a difference between having to carve out exceptions to a rule and having them built into it.
How do you change the consensus opinion if the consensus can shut up the people trying to change it?

And the "protection of health or morals" exception seems especially dangerous.

But, as you say, it works for them.

And, of course, there is another Ziegler quote about trying to apply what works on one country to another:
“Half the faculty at Yale law describes the American presidential system as one of these country’s most dangerous exports, responsible for wreaking havoc on over 30 countries around the globe. It is a recipe for constitutional breakdown.”

To be honest, I think that's actually a pretty good idea, if you're trying to preserve your country's traditions and protect it from ill-advised social engineers. It doesn't prevent change, but it should put a pretty sharp brake on radical change and radical rates of change.

Almost all changes to social law happen after the population is already largely in favor of the change, anyway. By that point, there's no need to shut anyone up, because the majority already thinks that way. The way the Icelandics have it written, you're going to need to make your persuasions on a smaller, local level. By persuading individuals, rather than bringing mass pressure to bear. Much more stable.

I'll give you a couple examples: Roe v. Wade was dropped on the country before consensus had been achieved. The result has been a long-running slow-burning political and social insurrection. People have died from it - The change was forced too soon.
Alternatively; Gay marriage. Only once the tipping point, socially-speaking, was achieved did legislation start coming about. Sure, there's resistance, but it's accepted as a fact, or soon-to-be-fact, by all but the most reactionary. Consensus has been achieved.

In small countries, you can get away with this. Such loose wording certainly would be disaster here.

You're not in the United States, you're in a computer game. The owners of the game don't have the right to ban your hardware for being a jerk, they have the power. Your rights don't extend into that power.

Potay-to, potah-to.
That's a distinction without a difference.

"They also have that right as it is enumerated in the EULA, the acceptance of which is required to connect your hardware to the game.

If they only had the power but not the right to ban people, they'd be mired in lawsuits."

The EULA is terms and conditions, not a list of rights. You agree to them.
Good luck with your lawsuit if and when CCP decides your right to free speech means nothing. There will be no sectarian agitators in this game.
I recommend you shoot a monument in-game and take some deep breaths.

Jeez, sidewalk lawyers, i'm outta this thread.

Is it opposite day here?

Take a breath and try actually reading the words I've typed.

Here, I'll help. It's two lines above the part you skipped to:

If the worst people are protected, everyone is protected. Simple as that.

Of course, that doesn't apply to private entities, such as CCP.


To the OP: Massive troll attempt, successful. Well-played, Sir.
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