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Fuel Pellets: Price spike is go!
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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2011-11-09 00:27:33 UTC
Woops, I think I accidentally mechanical parts buy prices in Amarr.

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Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-11-09 04:35:07 UTC
Made a couple mil on a small trade of Heavy Water. Time to go large-scale.
Via Shivon
#43 - 2011-11-09 08:12:52 UTC
but i still dont get it why ppl buy water and not ozone....hmhm Big smile
enterprisePSI
#44 - 2011-11-09 09:15:30 UTC
I switched my heating apparatus from gas to pellet. Now we get pellets for star bases. What the hell.

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Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2011-11-09 17:14:59 UTC
Well, I got way too excited. Bought up some 2 mil in heavy water, but my enthusiasm started a run; now there's sell orders just slightly above what I bought it for.

Oh well, I suppose I can sit on it and hope prices go up again....
Claire Voyant
#46 - 2011-11-09 18:04:48 UTC
Goodgodyourface wrote:
Oh well, I suppose I can sit on it and hope prices go up again....

That sounds like a plan.
Via Shivon
#47 - 2011-11-10 09:31:28 UTC
Goodgodyourface wrote:
Well, I got way too excited. Bought up some 2 mil in heavy water, but my enthusiasm started a run; now there's sell orders just slightly above what I bought it for.

Oh well, I suppose I can sit on it and hope prices go up again....



thas how allot ppl like you loose money and few others get rich Twisted
i wanne read the tears when water falls to 30 again *lolz*
proxwar
Doomheim
#48 - 2011-11-10 09:42:48 UTC
Im predicting we can get LO above 480 within the next 2/3 weeks Blink
Via Shivon
#49 - 2011-11-10 10:27:59 UTC
proxwar wrote:
Im predicting we can get LO above 480 within the next 2/3 weeks Blink


its allready over 480 lol - was at 550 spike yesterday
1200 gonna be the target when winter expasion hits eve and all start produce pellets ^^
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#50 - 2011-11-10 14:12:28 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
proxwar wrote:
Im predicting we can get LO above 480 within the next 2/3 weeks Blink


its allready over 480 lol - was at 550 spike yesterday
1200 gonna be the target when winter expasion hits eve and all start produce pellets ^^


Unlikely, unless every ice belt in all of EVE gets interdicted for 3+ months (500-600 probably).

Heavy water is already heading down below 180 in Sinq Laison and as low as 60-65 in Jita.
Via Shivon
#51 - 2011-11-10 15:03:33 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Via Shivon wrote:
proxwar wrote:
Im predicting we can get LO above 480 within the next 2/3 weeks Blink


its allready over 480 lol - was at 550 spike yesterday
1200 gonna be the target when winter expasion hits eve and all start produce pellets ^^


Unlikely, unless every ice belt in all of EVE gets interdicted for 3+ months (500-600 probably).

Heavy water is already heading down below 180 in Sinq Laison and as low as 60-65 in Jita.



so atm 70% of posses dont really use LO - after the expansion ALL those 70% will use 100% LO + first upstocking for pellet production and you think only 30% raise?
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#52 - 2011-11-10 15:11:48 UTC
The Goon's right.

Stopped clock and all that...
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#53 - 2011-11-10 15:22:31 UTC
Unfortunately for those holding stocks of LO that they bought at high value (thank you everyone who bought mine at 500+) the fuel pellets won't make much difference to the price of LO.

You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Yes, there will be an upswing when the pellet BPOs are released as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled) but that is only a small fraction of the market for LO in the first place. This upswing will then correct itself as soon as the fuel changeover occurs as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.


Anyway, have fun and carry on buying as the prices slide. There's profit there somewhere. If you're lucky. Maybe.

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Max Flipper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-11-10 16:18:47 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:

You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Because price is linear with supply Roll

Quote:

Yes, there will be an upswing when the pellet BPOs are released as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled) but that is only a small fraction of the market for LO in the first place. This upswing will then correct itself as soon as the fuel changeover occurs as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.

Because the new Pallets don't need LO Roll
Claire Voyant
#55 - 2011-11-10 17:11:30 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Wrong. Hisec ice doesn't produce enough ozone to meet demand even for towers, let alone cynos. 25 ozone per 300 topes is 8.33%. Current fuel requirements are somewhere between 16.6% (at half power) to 33.3%. The new fuel reqs will be 37.5%.

Therefore, the current market price of ozone has always been set and will continue to be set by lowsec and nullsec (glare crust) ice mining. Higher demand will certainly mean higher prices, but trying to tie the price of ozone to heavy water or whatever argument you were making is heading down the wrong path.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#56 - 2011-11-10 19:27:14 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Wrong. Hisec ice doesn't produce enough ozone to meet demand even for towers, let alone cynos. 25 ozone per 300 topes is 8.33%. Current fuel requirements are somewhere between 16.6% (at half power) to 33.3%. The new fuel reqs will be 37.5%.

Therefore, the current market price of ozone has always been set and will continue to be set by lowsec and nullsec (glare crust) ice mining. Higher demand will certainly mean higher prices, but trying to tie the price of ozone to heavy water or whatever argument you were making is heading down the wrong path.



Higher demand means higher prices, and higher prices means higher supply. More mining of ice for ozone means more heavy water production, without a commensurate increase in demand for it. What will that do to price?

He was on to something, he just didn't know what.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#57 - 2011-11-10 19:28:08 UTC
Max Flipper wrote:
Lauren Hellfury wrote:

[QUOTE]
Yes, there will be an upswing when the pellet BPOs are released as it more than doubles the amount of LO being consumed for POS operation (maybe trippled) but that is only a small fraction of the market for LO in the first place. This upswing will then correct itself as soon as the fuel changeover occurs as the need for LO to fuel current towers as well as supply the new pellets will be removed.

Because the new Pallets don't need LO Roll


What you read? It's not what I wrote. There is going to be an, approximate, 2 week period where towers will be consuming fuel (including LO) as normal and where people will be buying it to create the pellets ready for the switch.


Stop trying to be clever, it doesn't suit you.

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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#58 - 2011-11-10 19:31:34 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW. However the vast majority of LO is consumed by Cynos, jump bridges and bridging fleets in using BlOps and Titans. That is why LO is so much more expensive in comparison.

Wrong. Hisec ice doesn't produce enough ozone to meet demand even for towers, let alone cynos. 25 ozone per 300 topes is 8.33%. Current fuel requirements are somewhere between 16.6% (at half power) to 33.3%. The new fuel reqs will be 37.5%.

Therefore, the current market price of ozone has always been set and will continue to be set by lowsec and nullsec (glare crust) ice mining. Higher demand will certainly mean higher prices, but trying to tie the price of ozone to heavy water or whatever argument you were making is heading down the wrong path.



Claire, I wasn't talking about where the ice products come from but where they go to. The argument is simply that the increase in POS usage of LO is but a drop in the bucket compared to what is currently consumed.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2011-11-10 20:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
You get twice the HW out of ice than LO, so if they were only used for running POS' you'd expect the price of LO to be about double that of HW.

this is immensely dumb and you should be ashamed you typed it

if you get twice the hw you get of lo from mining, and lo and hw are consumed roughly equally (edit: or in any ratio where consumption of LO is greater than 50% of HW consumption), the price of hw should be the cost of transporting it; i.e. the value of the hw itself is zero

just like it is

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2011-11-10 20:05:44 UTC
much like the cost of any moon mineral that is not technetium approaches fuel cost

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