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Bradley Manning Verdict
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#1 - 2013-07-30 17:30:36 UTC
Not Guilty of Aiding the Enemy, Guilty of theft and Espionage charges.

Guardian.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-30 17:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Pretty much as expected then.

Sentencing will be interesting.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#3 - 2013-07-30 17:33:48 UTC
Best outcome, stern message to people that leaks are bad, but sometimes necessary under certain conditions. Of which Manning did not meet, hence guilty of theft and Espionage.

Curious to see the consequences on Julian Assange next.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-30 17:35:05 UTC
I read somewhere recently that the embassy is getting mightily fed up with him. Apparently he's quite the diva when it comes to certain things.

Let me see if i can dig it up.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#5 - 2013-07-30 17:44:35 UTC
Wondering what the odds are of him doing something ballsy and escaping under cover of daylight to a TukTuk that whisks him across the road to the Icelandic Embassy.

It's what I would do, probably when some major sports event was on too while a crowd was coming and going from the building.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-30 17:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Cant find the story. Sad

If its true that he's quite the diva i think no embassy will touch him if he did a runner.

Who'd want to basically be stuck with Nick Frost in your spare room raiding your fridge for years?

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#7 - 2013-07-30 17:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
This guy is going into future textbooks as a hero. The USA govt on the other hand is so corrupt and morally bankrupt it's going to replace Sodom and Gomorrah or Rome as a euphemism in the future lexicon. If the Nobel committee wants to retain any credibility it would strip Obama of the peace award and give it to Manning.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#8 - 2013-07-30 19:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
This guy is going into future textbooks as a hero. The USA govt on the other hand is so corrupt and morally bankrupt it's going to replace Sodom and Gomorrah or Rome as a euphemism in the future lexicon. If the Nobel committee wants to retain any credibility it would strip Obama of the peace award and give it to Manning.

Or Babylon. The one in the Book of Revelations.

Espionage can draw a heavy sentence. Basically, any term of years up to life imprisonment. Death penalty available if the "spy" caused the death of a U.S. intelligence agent or compromised national defense.*

*"...[S]hall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the... court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power... of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information; or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy."
Mr Pragmatic
#9 - 2013-07-30 19:26:46 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
This guy is going into future textbooks as a hero. The USA govt on the other hand is so corrupt and morally bankrupt it's going to replace Sodom and Gomorrah or Rome as a euphemism in the future lexicon. If the Nobel committee wants to retain any credibility it would strip Obama of the peace award and give it to Manning.



A bit dramatic?

Every govt is morally corrupt. And if you have a moral govt people cry about religion. Your are screwed either way.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-07-30 21:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
Kirjava wrote:
Best outcome, stern message to people that leaks are bad, but sometimes necessary under certain conditions. Of which Manning did not meet, hence guilty of theft and Espionage.

Curious to see the consequences on Julian Assange next.


Could have been worse, but I would disagree this is the "best," outcome. Sends the message that if you provide information to the public about government crimes you will go to jail for 100+ years after being paraded around the media as a sodomite enemy of the state.

Journalism was already dead, but this is the official politburo nail in the coffin.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-07-30 22:01:05 UTC
The other 20 charges he was found guilty of can carry a sentence of about 100 years

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#12 - 2013-07-30 22:19:14 UTC
Tumahub wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Best outcome, stern message to people that leaks are bad, but sometimes necessary under certain conditions. Of which Manning did not meet, hence guilty of theft and Espionage.

Curious to see the consequences on Julian Assange next.


Could have been worse, but I would disagree this is the "best," outcome. Sends the message that if you provide information to the public about government crimes you will go to jail for 100+ years after being paraded around the media as a sodomite enemy of the state.

Journalism was already dead, but this is the official politburo nail in the coffin.

Yep. It started dying in September 2001, and was close to dead by the end of the Bush-Cheney years. We thought it might recover under Obama, but it didn't.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-07-30 22:26:48 UTC
I love our political, intelligence, and judicial system being humiliated like this.

Their responses and 'punitive punishments' are so 19th Century.

Finger-shaking and mutterings of "Bad boy".......they are just doing nothing but secretly quaking in their boots as this incident and Snowden's are just the beginning.

Nobody has released the really mind-blowing secret information, yet.

It's only a matter of time.

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Reiisha
#14 - 2013-07-30 22:50:22 UTC
I'm kind of waiting for the 80 year old retired bloke with nothing left to lose to drop a big bomb on people. There's always a first time.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#15 - 2013-07-31 00:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
I no longer feel shame in admitting George W Bush seemed like a decent enough bloke out of his depth a bit with Cheney pulling the strings. Disagreed with what he did, but I think he had more integrity and honesty than Obama. Which I can respect to be honest, prefer the honest well meaning tyrant to the deceptive and manipulative technocrat any day.

Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The other 20 charges he was found guilty of can carry a sentence of about 100 years


Theoretically he is young enough that he could live out the whole sentence based on medical tech advance trends...

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-07-31 00:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Kirjava wrote:
I no longer feel shame in admitting George W Bush seemed like a decent enough bloke out of his depth a bit with Cheney pulling the strings. Disagreed with what he did, but I think he had more integrity and honesty than Obama. Which I can respect to be honest, prefer the honest well meaning tyrant to the deceptive and manipulative technocrat any day.

Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The other 20 charges he was found guilty of can carry a sentence of about 100 years


Theoretically he is young enough that he could live out the whole sentence based on medical tech advance trends...


He's going to go to Ft. Leavenworth and will never be heard from again Straight

*Edit to clarify my standing on this whole thing about leaking:

Snowden was great... he brought to light the invasion of privacy by the govt of it's own citizens.

Manning should be flogged and crucified because he endangered lives of our servicemen who had nothing to do with the evil plans of the higher ups. Making public 700k+ classified documents about what the military is doing and who's where makes me want to be the one to flog that little spitf*ck

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-07-31 01:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
Kirjava wrote:
Which I can respect to be honest, prefer the honest well meaning tyrant to the deceptive and manipulative technocrat any day.


I'll take none of the above.

Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

Manning should be flogged and crucified because he endangered lives of our servicemen who had nothing to do with the evil plans of the higher ups.


Does this logic apply to every soldier who endangers the lives of civilians and innocents who had nothing to do with the evil of their country's dictators?

I mean, if people who signed up for the war machine are innocent, shouldn't people who didn't take on that charge be even more innocent?

I take your opinion as meaning that collateral damage in the pursuit of justice is unreasonable. In that case, you've got a whole lot of ranking military officials and politicians to flog.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-31 02:31:43 UTC
Tumahub wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Which I can respect to be honest, prefer the honest well meaning tyrant to the deceptive and manipulative technocrat any day.


I'll take none of the above.

Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

Manning should be flogged and crucified because he endangered lives of our servicemen who had nothing to do with the evil plans of the higher ups.


Does this logic apply to every soldier who endangers the lives of civilians and innocents who had nothing to do with the evil of their country's dictators?

I mean, if people who signed up for the war machine are innocent, shouldn't people who didn't take on that charge be even more innocent?

I take your opinion as meaning that collateral damage in the pursuit of justice is unreasonable. In that case, you've got a whole lot of ranking military officials and politicians to flog.


For me it's inexcusable for a service member (note I said member, not serviceman... I not sexist Bear) to give up information that puts other servicemen (who am I kidding... those chicks can't do the real jobs Twisted) in sudden and totally avoidable danger. Snowden was looking out for the American people, Manning probably got Americans killed. We'll never hear about it though because that's classified.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-07-31 04:06:54 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


For me it's inexcusable for a service member (note I said member, not serviceman... I not sexist Bear) to give up information that puts other servicemen (who am I kidding... those chicks can't do the real jobs Twisted) in sudden and totally avoidable danger. Snowden was looking out for the American people, Manning probably got Americans killed. We'll never hear about it though because that's classified.


I think thats what did it in for him. He should have restricted himself to the videos of attacks on reporters, civilians and UK troops by American forces rather than throw in the diplomatic papers too. Wikileaks still has a huge pile of stuff they deemed too sensitive to release.
Commissar Romonov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-07-31 08:54:54 UTC
Hopefully he will spend the rest of his days behind bars, where he belongs.

It's a shame Snowden wasn't man enough to stand by his actions and ran away. If it's true that he gave classified information to the Chinese or Russians then I hope he gets what's coming to him as well...
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