EVE General Discussion

Also, time dilation is in direct conflict of "real time" btw.

I too like to call people fanbois whenever they counter my point. Anyway, on to your question. How did we come to accept "razzle dazzle" instead of a true remedy to slowdow? I would argue that we did not accept one thing instead of the other. First, i'm going to assume you are referencing the Jita riots rather than burn jita, because they are completely different. Burn jita was unrelated to the incarna expansion(read microtransactions).

Second, significant "UI razzle dazzle", and I assume you are referencing the new scanning system, jumpgates, etc, is unique to Odyssey. In fact, the initial "razzle dazzle" update was Incarna and it was furiously decried by the community when it hit the server incomplete. Did Odyssey make some changes to the UI? Yea. But those were overshadowed by the tiericide changes and the reallocation of resources(r64 moons, ice belts, and mining belts). What some of us tried to say before the topic turned into an argument about lag, was the we were told by CCP devs that lag would not be a quick fix, and I accept that answer in part due to the technical reasons already stated. In the mean time, I'm happy with the itterations that have happened in the recent updates. Would I like lag to be fixed? Yes. however it is not something that will happen overnight. Even then, the fight against lag will never end as long as eve continues to grow.

Prove it. (You do know that latency is a rate measured in milliseconds which is what "time" is right? I don't think you caught on to that part).[/quote]


I already posted exactly what lag is, I'm waiting on you. You are still flailing.

I already posted exactly what lag is, I'm waiting on you. You are still flailing.[/quote]

I guess you could even say he's......*puts on sunglasses* lagging YEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

So far as that goes, I'm not sure the technology exists.

....and even if it does, I highly doubt that it is compatible with python.

Like I said, enterprise level hardware is my thing. Its what I do for a living.

Its finally sinking in.

Its not hardware, you aren't getting anything better, the Eve cluster architecture is a super computer.

So that leaves software/middleware optimization, and like I said real time dynamic loadsharing isn't a trivial undertaking, and anything done to the engine itself is a monumental undertaking.



When you have your facts right you can tell me that anything has been met.

But that is not in any sort of direct conflict with time dilation being lag. So again, I'm trying to figure out if you're agreeing with me or arguing, because we are on the same page.

…which (assuming we actually buy this very odd and unorthodox definition) is something TiDi removes.

No. Latency is the one-way or round-trip time from sender to receiver (and/or back to sender).

No. It is reducing lag at the cost of latency. Time dilation, by definition and design, removes the lag that comes from the server not processing everything correctly. It does this by scaling the world simulation speed to account for the processing delays that come with a high-load situation. It also improves stability, since one of the lag effects that TiDi works its way around is that the server fails to keep the session active, but again, that's a removal of lag at the cost of other things.

On topic: Murk, can you take a break from your lag discussion and answer the question of the OP? In case you have forgotten, here it is:

How as paying EvE users did we come to accept UI razzle dazzle and gimmicks instead of a true remedy to slowdowns?

Did I get something wrong? Or is eve slowing down the request rate?