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Recruitment Scamming. Now a bannable offense.

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David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2011-11-10 08:24:37 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Xython wrote:
Wow, wasn't aware this was Hello Kitty online, I must be in the wrong foru... oh, nope, this is EVE.

Huh. That's pretty freaking stupid. What were the CSM thinking not throwing a fit about...

Oh, they weren't consulted. At all. Of course not.


Apparently CEO Hello Kitty (throw in a "mar" there if you want, I couldn't find a spot that made sense) is unaware of what game he's actually in charge of. Wouldn't surprise me, based on how out of touch he and the upper reaches of CCP are nowadays.

What's next, being mean to each other will be bannable? Calling someone an idiot in local will get you Concorded? Oh, Oh, I know, lets just disable targeting other player ships from the hours of 12 PM to 11 AM Icelandic time, that'll make sure there's a good experience for everyone, right?

No vision, no direction, no clue. CCP 2011.

For a "swarm" mentality alliance not much collective happening.

On one hand you have Mrs. Harlot proclaiming "bigdeal", "who cares", "won't make any difference" and then there is you screaming "Hello Kitty", "idiot - Concorded".

ffs Goons, at LEAST reach a consenus. Maybe you need The Mittani to write a press release for you?

/me shakes his head in wonder at the phenomena called "Goons".

Yeah, seriously, I mean, how can 5000+ people NOT all have the same perspective on an issue? It truly boggles the mind.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2011-11-10 17:10:25 UTC
We're obviously the Geth.

We must reach consensus.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#123 - 2011-11-10 17:10:48 UTC
:itisamasseffectreference:
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#124 - 2011-11-10 17:11:05 UTC
Only Mass Effect is better than Eve: Online, you see
Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#125 - 2011-11-10 17:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cozmik R5
Krios Ahzek wrote:
If you're scamming someone for 500 million ISK, he's not a newbie.


Agreed. And if someone gets scammed for 500mil ISK, he's a ****** and should give up on gaming!

Edit: a negative mental condition is grounds for censorship? Pathetic.

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Intakani Genntelle
Doomheim
#126 - 2011-11-10 17:15:48 UTC
Quote:
I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way.


Please do. EVE would be a much better place if TEST and Goons were gone.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2011-11-10 17:18:18 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Only Mass Effect is better than Eve: Online, you see

What if CCP licensed the Mass Effect IP in order to make EVE 2 a Mass Effect MMO?
It's practically the same system, except jump gates are replaced with Mass Relays.

Also walking in stations = Unreal Engine 3 combat.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Barakkus
#128 - 2011-11-10 17:29:53 UTC
Wow, why is this thread still going? It's now 7 pages of pointless arguments.
Anything that brings more people into the game to shoot and they stay at is good.
Anything that prevents shooting at people (save current mechanics of highsec...need to retain people to shoot at btw) is bad.
Goons are an insignificant part of EVE now.
BoB is long gone from EVE.
Let's move on and shoot each other.
End of discussion.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2011-11-10 17:53:18 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Goons are an insignificant part of EVE now.

All of the angry posts about us would indicate otherwise.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#130 - 2011-11-10 19:05:53 UTC
Recruitment scamming is part of EVE. The people who do it are mouth-breathing fucktards, but that's beside the point.

This change is crap.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#131 - 2011-11-10 20:08:22 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
The beatings will continue until morale improves.


Lost hope. Unacceptable in a game where the fun is about mess others day or play time by any means including pathetic "high sec" rules where every one and his dog can do whatever they want with no consequences other than rewards and e-peen.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#132 - 2011-11-10 20:18:49 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
One of our newer members scammed 500 million from some pubbie within 30 minutes of joining Goonwaffe.

He's a goddamn Goon hero.


Just out of curiosity, what do you to members who get successfully scammed and someone proves this with evidence...

Not trolling, just want to know whether it's a slap on the wrists or a kick in the ass...or something more sinister involving a shovel and duct tape.

AK

This space for rent.
Moustached Slimy Worm
Go Petition Blizzard
Safety.
#133 - 2011-11-10 22:17:43 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Maybe they're trying to lose subscribers?


fyp
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#134 - 2011-11-10 23:10:22 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Only Mass Effect is better than Eve: Online, you see


have you seen the leaked beta stuff from 3? lol
its absolute crap

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#135 - 2011-11-11 02:27:07 UTC
meh who scams in the recruitment chan anyhow?
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2011-11-11 10:08:56 UTC
imho everything that has a CCP Seal of Approval on it should be a scam-free zone
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2011-11-11 10:10:15 UTC
'CCP Guard' wrote:
Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.




Hands off CCP.

New player joins eve.

New player gets scammed ( doesn't matter where )

New player realizes it and says something, either in local, or help, or perhaps corp chat, after they find a real one.

Old players will rapidly give advice, share their own painful newb stories, and very very often dump far more isk into their wallet then they ever could've been scammed for.

Sure there may be times when a player just immediately rage-quits without saying a word, but frankly if someone does this, then 1 of 2 things are likely true. 1. They'll be back when they calm down, and all of the above will apply, just being delayed by rage. or 2. they will not like eve and they saved themselves a whole bunch of time by finding out early.


so, most importantly:

What do newbs have that's worth scamming aside from tears?

If you really want to protect the newbs, then do 2 things.

1. Send a 'welcome' email to all new subscribers that states the following

Quote:
WELCOME TO EVE

You will be scammed. After 60 days of paid subscription time, you will be credited 50m isk into your wallet. This is all you'll get. Scams in eve are a feature, not a bug. Consider this your warning, and in 60 days you'll get reimbursed a reasonable amount of isk. That is all.

2. after 60 days of subscription time, give them 50m isk.

done. fini. nothing to micro-manage. Just writing the code to make this all happen automatically.

And...

If they're not new.

They should've known better.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#138 - 2011-11-11 10:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Yeah let's lock the thread with good well thought out posts (by zagdul f.i.) and redirect to this old steaming pile of feces that covers maybe a third of the topics from my thread, good call there CCP Phantom, and by that I mean you're a garbage moderator. Especially considering you locked it right after CCP Guard said "Let's discuss".

CCP Guard's post from other thread;
Quote:
Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.


1. No that's perfectly acceptable and pretty much identical to the help channel rule - That however is not the way the rule is currently phrased, the current version is ********.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2011-11-11 10:19:27 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Yeah let's lock the thread with good well thought out posts (by zagdul f.i.) and redirect to this old steaming pile of *****, good call there CCP Phantom, and by that I mean you're terrible, especially considering you locked it right after CCP Guard said "Let's discuss".

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Bad Phantom

Good Guard.

Forum natzi's in regards to duplicate threads need to figure out that it hasn't gone away in 8+ years, they have never been able to be vigilant enough to stop it all the time. If they persist in the stupidity, I've no problem reporting every thread that could be considered a 'duplicate', but I guarantee they won't have time to lock them all, and there'll be like 12 threads left on the forum that are active.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#140 - 2011-11-11 10:22:36 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Yeah let's lock the thread with good well thought out posts (by zagdul f.i.) and redirect to this old steaming pile of *****, good call there CCP Phantom, and by that I mean you're terrible, especially considering you locked it right after CCP Guard said "Let's discuss".

.


Bad Phantom

Good Guard.

Forum natzi's in regards to duplicate threads need to figure out that it hasn't gone away in 8+ years, they have never been able to be vigilant enough to stop it all the time. If they persist in the stupidity, I've no problem reporting every thread that could be considered a 'duplicate', but I guarantee they won't have time to lock them all, and there'll be like 12 threads left on the forum that are active.


Now now, my comment is here and the discussion has been streamlined to one thread.

I'd like to hear if people have any comments on my post which is quoted above. Smile

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard