Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And a POS/station eviction type mechanic as well. :)

He will show in local for as long as you remain in the system, providing you were present when he sent the message and did not perform a session change.

It might be reasonable to expire this listing after a few minutes, or if he should leave.

Oh, how that could be twisted by someone clever, against someone gullible....

And about cloak hunting, this idea meets the requirements to invoke this version of that:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453

Facts are statements possible to confirm by others, by mutually accepted and objective means.
A declaration that the sun is a giant marshmallow will not result in it actually becoming one, regardless of how many are fond of the idea.

These are not my personal perceptions, they are direct observations regarding the use of Local Chat as a source of intel, and how it is often (ab)used as such.

Specifically:
We are being asked to compete, and a significant aspect is being aware of opponent presence.
Since local is the established level of intel needed to counter other players also using it, we are forced to use it.

Both sides are then handed this information, often resulting in obvious and predictable results.

Since such mutual use too often results in a predictable stalemate, it can be said the problem can be corrected by removing or modifying the cause of this issue.

Since we are being asked to compete, and only by our own efforts does such competition hold meaning, we should require effort to acquire intel since it's use is central to our competition in this context.

Cloaking can actually be used to do much more, nerf local.

Oh, I see.

Your argument is you are not forced to PLAY.

My apologies, the idea behind this thread is for those of us who DO want to play.

Remove local, and revanp D-scan as an intel tool.

Poor kitten, you are comparing apples to oranges with suggestions like that.

How about we reduce local to being just a chat channel?

I get that worm holes do not have local.
The argument that those wanting to remove local should move into a wh, falls flat due to the other differences between the two play areas.

I also acknowledge these differences make wormholes unique. This does not, however, mean that the delayed local mechanic can only work in this environment. It just means wormholes have multiple mechanics designed to isolate them and limit them to what can happen inside.

This is why I advocate a partial change to local as detailed in this thread.

And then a means to hunt cloaked vessels based on duplicating the requirements to pilot cloaked vessels:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453

These would work together to restore value to player driven intel, and offer PvE pilots like me a new way to actually compete with each other.

This thread is full of bomber pilots that want easy kills , -1 , nothing wrong with current system. CCP will not nerf local , its too much a drastic change to the game. Just deal with it.

The whole point of running a "realistic" cloaked vessel would be to have zero emissions, and as such, have nothing that gives you away, yet people are expecting, based on this thread, to be hidden, AND be able to:

* Spam DScan.
* Launch probes and communicate with them.
* Initiate warp from place to place.
* Have a bunch of modules online.

If you want EVE to be just another fantasy game, then yea, this is the right path, otherwise, every single one of those actions would (technically) cause some energy discharge that would be picked up by other ships ALSO scanning for such things.

I have NEVER liked any of the cloak mechanics we have, but just making changes because they "seem right" is not a real option. Unless a new cloaking system was put of SiSi for months before hand and given a MASSIVE test by everyone involved in this arguments and THEN voted in, I would not make it active.

Another point: The gates are now owned by players, so passing through them is why you get broadcasted as being in system. If someone had said "but if you Cyno'd in you should not show in Local" then maybe, just MAYBE I'd agree, but if you used a gate, stop complaining you show up in Local as it makes PERFECT sense, as you just basically passed through a checkpoint.

This thread is not suggesting changes to options the cloaking vessels operate with.
It IS suggesting changes to the environment they operate in, however.

As was already linked above, I am also including a method to hunt cloaked vessels, as detailed here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453



By all means, the system would be tested first.

I would not suggest inserting a new skin on a noob ship, let alone changes affecting game play, without being tested first.
As for the voting part, feel free to ask the devs if they want changes to require popular mandate, that is not up to us currently.



The players do NOT own gates. Please, lock one and prove your control.

The best they can do is mount a persistent ambush group at a gate, and use direct effort and teamwork to deny entry by blowing up ships that they dislike who attempt passage.

Oh, and in case you forgot this detail, local is a chat channel, not an intended intel source. Don't let it's current use fool you, the devs already stated that they want a legitimate intel tool to replace it.