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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2013-07-29 17:41:35 UTC
Wanting to clean up your skill sheet or unwanted/unused skills is only a vanity issue. There is no gain or advantage by doing it.

As such, it should be treated like a vanity issue, like CCP treats Re-sculpting. CCP charges you a PLEX to Re-sculpt.

Why, because it is a vanity issue & they can charge you for doing it.

CCP should do the same thing with "PLEX for Removal of Unwanted/Unused Skills".

You do not get skill points or cost of skill books back.

Make the people that want to do this cost them a PLEX.


Other Ideas,

I do not like the idea of un-training the skills. If you were to spend time to un-train a skill then you should get the skill points back.

I do not think reallocation of skill points works either. People can train FOTM without any drawbacks.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#22 - 2013-07-29 17:47:35 UTC
It does have value, under the right conditions.

If you want to save money on med clones, and you can delete unwanted skills enough to change to a less expensive class, that has value.

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2013-07-29 17:53:56 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
It does have value, under the right conditions.

If you want to save money on med clones, and you can delete unwanted skills enough to change to a less expensive class, that has value.



CCP has already nerf clones by 30%. CCP have even stated that they do not like how the cost of clones work. It would not surprise me if the cost goes away in the near future.

Even if they did want to remove skills just to get a lower clone cost, the price of a PLEX (565 mil atm) would more than make up for whole lot of clone updates.


R.I.P. Vile Rat
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#24 - 2013-07-29 18:17:45 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
It does have value, under the right conditions.

If you want to save money on med clones, and you can delete unwanted skills enough to change to a less expensive class, that has value.



CCP has already nerf clones by 30%. CCP have even stated that they do not like how the cost of clones work. It would not surprise me if the cost goes away in the near future.

Even if they did want to remove skills just to get a lower clone cost, the price of a PLEX (565 mil atm) would more than make up for whole lot of clone updates.

The OP nor the thread author in this thread mentions plex, just you.

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-07-29 18:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
Nikk Narrel wrote:

The OP nor the thread author in this thread mentions plex, just you.


This is the way I see this working for the good of everyone.

If it costs a PLEX to remove unwanted/unused skills then CCP benefits & the person with the OCD benefits.

What I am suggesting is the same thing CCP does already for PLEX for Re-sculpt.

In the PLEX for Re-sculpt both CCP & the person with OCD benefits.

Both of these are just vanity issues with no advantage to them. Just for those characters that want a clean & focused skill sheet, same as they want a better looking character.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#26 - 2013-07-29 18:37:13 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:

The OP nor the thread author in this thread mentions plex, just you.


This is the way I see this working for the good of everyone.

If it costs a PLEX to remove unwanted/unused skills then CCP benefits & the person with the OCD benefits.

What I am suggesting is the same thing CCP does already for PLEX for Re-sculpt.

In the PLEX for Re-sculpt both CCP & the person with OCD benefits.

Both of these are just vanity issues with no advantage to them. Just for those characters that want a clean & focused skill sheet, same as they want a better looking character.

Then make a thread for that idea.

It gets confusing trying to discuss the merits of the OP when you are referencing something different.

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#27 - 2013-07-30 13:54:10 UTC
Balthazar Lestrane wrote:


This. Making changes for purely cosmetics is a waste of dev time when it does nothing to further actual gameplay. Something simple as "Hide Skill From Character Sheet" would be much more appropriate.


And that isn't purely cosmetic and a waste of dev time? what? Roll

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#28 - 2013-07-30 14:02:42 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Wanting to clean up your skill sheet or unwanted/unused skills is only a vanity issue. There is no gain or advantage by doing it.

As such, it should be treated like a vanity issue, like CCP treats Re-sculpting. CCP charges you a PLEX to Re-sculpt.

Why, because it is a vanity issue & they can charge you for doing it.

CCP should do the same thing with "PLEX for Removal of Unwanted/Unused Skills".

You do not get skill points or cost of skill books back.

Make the people that want to do this cost them a PLEX.


Other Ideas,

I do not like the idea of un-training the skills. If you were to spend time to un-train a skill then you should get the skill points back.

I do not think reallocation of skill points works either. People can train FOTM without any drawbacks.


Why do you want to punish the OCD twice? Not only are you losing isk and potentially time when you delete skills but you'd be paying a month of game time for this as well? Seems unfair.

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#29 - 2013-07-30 14:11:40 UTC
GM just replied to my petition about this and said they are unable to remove skills Cry

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SquirlRuler Cadelanne
Guilliman Initiative
#30 - 2013-07-30 14:15:04 UTC
Reizak StormFury wrote:
Anariasis wrote:
That's just going to end with millions of petitions "omg I accidentally deleted ....".


I think millions is a little strong. I'm sure CCP don't get many petitions to un-bio characters. I think this would work in exactly the same way.


I'm on the fence about this. I don't really get the argument for having used the skills in the past...

Yes, you bought the skill book(s).
Yes, you used the skill(s) to achieve something you wanted to do.
Yes, you might have no need/wish to ever use those skills again.

I'd look upon this as a "forget" command. People do forget stuff after all.


I'm on the fence though as I'm unsure on the impact this would have. From what I've seen, EVE needs more ISK sinks, and clones (as well as their implants), seem to be the only consistent sinks in the game.


For the EVE OCD that everyone seems to suffer from a smidge (I'm also guilty of this to some extent), a very simple "show/hide" system would be great. It already exists for maxed skills, but players aren't able to show/hide individual skills at will.

Shouldn't be too difficult/time consuming to implement. An extra field in the database table for a boolean value. When populating the listbox, check to see if that fields value equates to TRUE or FALSE. Simple enough.


TL;DR:
+1 for a show/hide on individual skills at a players discretion.
+/-1 for forgetting skills.



This.

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Reizak StormFury
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-08-01 13:13:49 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
GM just replied to my petition about this and said they are unable to remove skills Cry


FYI: When a developer says to you they are unable to do something, 9/10 what they meant was, they won't.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#32 - 2013-08-01 13:41:27 UTC
Reizak StormFury wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
GM just replied to my petition about this and said they are unable to remove skills Cry


FYI: When a developer says to you they are unable to do something, 9/10 what they meant was, they won't.

Add to that it was a GM.

They don't make the rules, and may have no idea what is or is not possible on a development level.

They DO know what they are permitted to do by CCP, which is an entirely separate discussion from this.

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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-08-01 17:48:06 UTC
...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3325784
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=237408

Shereza wrote:
My response:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3088256#post3088256

Shereza wrote:
As long as nobody actually wants those skill points back, and the whole thing where you could train up a bunch of marginally useful skills you have great stats for, re-spec them, and then use the SP on skills you have horrible stats for to avoid having to do a neural remap strikes me as a good reason not to do that, then the solution to this problem is simple.

Add a "Hide Skill" button to every skill on the standard list. If you don't want to see the skill on your list any more just click the button and it gets hidden. No muss, no fuss, no game balance concerns.


The search function is kind of nice if you can figure out how to use it.


I really should bookmark one of these topics so it's easier for me to make these posts.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#34 - 2013-08-01 18:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Shereza wrote:

'hide skill button' + stuff


If you hide those skills would they remain hidden on eveboard or other skill websites? If i ever wanted to sell my toons they wouldn't be worth as much because of all these skills that i trained that i never use anymore. Like hulk skills and refinery skills.

Oh and my bad I didn't even think to use the search function Shocked most of the time it just breaks on me anyways...

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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-08-02 02:57:51 UTC
I don't think I'll ever understand why people would pay less for a character that has more (skills) than just what they're looking for even when it also has exactly what they want. Roll
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-08-02 03:15:37 UTC
You must suffer on like the rest of us with our unclean and OCD-affecting skillsheets!

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#37 - 2013-08-02 03:15:50 UTC
Shereza wrote:
I don't think I'll ever understand why people would pay less for a character that has more (skills) than just what they're looking for even when it also has exactly what they want. Roll


because people are dumb Blink

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Reizak StormFury
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-08-02 08:36:05 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Shereza wrote:
I don't think I'll ever understand why people would pay less for a character that has more (skills) than just what they're looking for even when it also has exactly what they want. Roll


because people are dumb Blink


Because people change their mind. Not everyone knows exactly the kind of toon they want to make. For some it's more a journey of whims. So, if a character is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, then that might be considered more valuable to some.
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