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Are T2 sentries mandatory for lvl 4 dominix?
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Lazy8s
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-30 02:53:14 UTC
I just came back from a 3yr break. I guess with some old skills that were removed I have ~2mil SP immediately available. I am trying to decide between a raven or Dominix to run lvl 4 missions. I only have 138mil ISK so while I can have the skills for a raven in about 24hrs I can't afford to buy one,

If I train a sentry Dominix I can have everything but T2 sentry drones in about 3 days. Then it is a 33d train fir T2 sentries. The big appeal to the dominix is #1 I like the dominix a lot, #2 it is WAY cheaper. I have about 10hrs per week to play so I can't afford to replace many lost ravens. Searching the forums indicates the Dominix is the safest (and perhaps most boring) level 4 mission runner.

So:
Are T2 sentries necessary for the dominix?
Am I better off to run lvl 3 complexes and fit a Raven?

Thank you in advance guys!

Here are the 2 fittings I'm considering:
Dominix
Raven
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-30 03:10:44 UTC
faction sentries are fine but you will just end up taking a bit longer.

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Lazy8s
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-30 03:21:44 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
faction sentries are fine but you will just end up taking a bit longer.


Ouch. That's over 5.5mil per drone instead of 1.1mil for tier 2 or 150k for tier 1.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-30 03:28:00 UTC
Well unless you're planning on losing them (they're extremely hard to kill) you can just sell them back when you're done.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-07-30 03:36:25 UTC
T1 sentries are fine.

They used to be very hard to use because of shorter optimal and worse tracking, but now the dominix starts with better bonuses than 2xT2 omnis used to give it. ie a dominix+ 2x omnis now, has extremely usable T1 sentries.

You might have to use one of the other 3 "racial sentries" to reach longer targets, but that -was- entirely normal for the dominix for 10 years, and is still normal for the navy dominix. ie the whole garde IIs reach everything all of the time is a very recent thing.

Use faction sentries once you stop losing drones..
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#6 - 2013-07-30 04:55:55 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
T1 sentries are fine.

They used to be very hard to use because of shorter optimal and worse tracking, but now the dominix starts with better bonuses than 2xT2 omnis used to give it. ie a dominix+ 2x omnis now, has extremely usable T1 sentries.

You might have to use one of the other 3 "racial sentries" to reach longer targets, but that -was- entirely normal for the dominix for 10 years, and is still normal for the navy dominix. ie the whole garde IIs reach everything all of the time is a very recent thing.

Use faction sentries once you stop losing drones..


^^ This for sure.

The faction racial ones are the bees knees if you dont have t2's.

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Lazy8s
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-30 12:45:40 UTC
Thanks everyone! I guess one more question in case anyone reads this far: Is the Navy Raven really that superior to the Dominix in the long run? I'm seeing the 2bil price tag and im not understanding what makes it so much more valuable than the Dominix.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-30 13:03:54 UTC
Navy Raven (the hull) is currently around 550-570 million depending on region.
Lazy8s
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-30 13:05:17 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Navy Raven (the hull) is currently around 550-570 million depending on region.


Yeah I'm just looking at fitting costs which are absolutely insane on an optimal Navy Raven setup. It seems to price out about 2x as much as a Navy Dominix. Any idea why?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-07-30 13:29:23 UTC
Hm - you mentioned that in the other thread, but I'm scratching my head over what sort of fitting cranks up a Navy Raven setup to ... what was it? 2 billion ISK? I can't understand it unless they're using a lot of faction or deadspace gear, or T2 rigs ... which in my opinion would make the Navy Raven more trouble than it's worth, in a loot-pinata sense.

Seriously: using a full T2 setup, or meta-4 cruise launchers until you've got the skills for the T2's, and maybe a Dread Guristas XL shield booster, shouldn't set anyone back 2 billion.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2013-07-30 13:30:17 UTC
Lazy8s wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Navy Raven (the hull) is currently around 550-570 million depending on region.


Yeah I'm just looking at fitting costs which are absolutely insane on an optimal Navy Raven setup. It seems to price out about 2x as much as a Navy Dominix. Any idea why?


Lots of small reasons.

Deadspace shield stuff is better than deadspace armor stuff for PVE, so deadspace shield is more expensive than deadspace armor. Examples of the budgeting - eanms are passive + don't turn off when neuted out, so invulns have more resistance. the invuln disadvantage really doesn't matter in pve - ergo they are better.

Also armor ships have to put tank and gank in the same slots, so people tend to default to shield when they don't have to tackle.

dominix has several more T2 mods on a pimped fit. ie damage mods. those are slots that just remain cheap...

You can make a navy domi (a) hit stupidly hard at midfield range and (b) plenty expensive if you shield fit.
Diaktoros
Hermes Enterprises
#12 - 2013-07-30 15:34:21 UTC
Just use T1 sentries for now, they are more than sufficient. That said, training for T2 would certainly give you a good boost in dps. The dominix fit you linked is okay, but don't fit a MJD. If you are using sentries then you'd never want to be away from them. And the tractor beams are worthless too imo. Fit something else in the mid and small/medium reps in the top slots to rep your drones. Repping the drones would put the aggro on you entirely and not your drones. Just make sure to fit a good enough tank since all damage will be coming your way.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2013-07-30 16:07:49 UTC
Diaktoros wrote:
The dominix fit you linked is okay, but don't fit a MJD. If you are using sentries then you'd never want to be away from them.


Wait. You think the incessant babble about MJD sentry Domis all over this forum is about people jumping away from their drones?

Sigh.

MJD to get range, then drop sentries. Or not; you can sit in the fray as well, but you'd likely want a bit more tank for that, meaning you have to cut back a bit on DDAs.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-07-30 20:09:02 UTC
They are 2 very different ships. You will need to find out how you like to play, I personally hate being tied down by drones and of the 2 would go for the raven. You will need T2 cruise launchers though, but can start without them. Best bet is jump on the test server and see which you prefer.

As to needing T2 sentries if you running a drone boat, then absolutely yes.. its the same as asking if you need T2 guns or missiles on your Battleship.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2013-07-31 05:54:22 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
They are 2 very different ships. You will need to find out how you like to play, I personally hate being tied down by drones and of the 2 would go for the raven. You will need T2 cruise launchers though, but can start without them. Best bet is jump on the test server and see which you prefer.

As to needing T2 sentries if you running a drone boat, then absolutely yes.. its the same as asking if you need T2 guns or missiles on your Battleship.



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mama guru
Yazatas.
#16 - 2013-07-31 06:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: mama guru
It's like arguing T2 guns vs Meta 4. No it's not mandatory, but then again if thats your philosphy why not spend 2 hours doing each mission with an assault frigate?


T2 Sentries should be first on your to-do list after you get T2 Omnis, followed by Gallente Battleship V and Drone Interfacing V.

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-07-31 07:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
As much as I'm a missile user at core, dont fly what you cant afford to lose therefore: domi.

I mean, it's soooooooooooooooooooooooo dull, but it's safe and effective.

Hell I have one with NO guns and a single repper/hardener and it can complete pretty much anything without much thought.


Edit: Also, faction sentries kick ass and you shouldnt lose them. I used them before getting T2 and never lost a single one.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#18 - 2013-07-31 07:51:40 UTC
You're going to end up in a rattlesnake. Idea

Start with T1 sentry domi and save/train toward navy scorpion.

Max out your navy scorpions skills first as all will transfer to the RS.

Then train up the drones more and move over to RS when all your drones are T2.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-08-01 00:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme more Cynos
Lazy8s wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Navy Raven (the hull) is currently around 550-570 million depending on region.


Yeah I'm just looking at fitting costs which are absolutely insane on an optimal Navy Raven setup. It seems to price out about 2x as much as a Navy Dominix. Any idea why?


EDIT: note to myself - dump old EFT ASAP.. >.<

This one could do the trick for a cheap CNR:

[Raven Navy Issue, XL]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

overtanked a lot, but cheap :P
Dhestroya Ohmaris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-09 02:39:21 UTC
Lazy8s wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Navy Raven (the hull) is currently around 550-570 million depending on region.


Yeah I'm just looking at fitting costs which are absolutely insane on an optimal Navy Raven setup. It seems to price out about 2x as much as a Navy Dominix. Any idea why?



if your looking at a sentry boat. navy domi is a waste of your time

it doesn't have the bonus to sentries the regular domi has

i am currently running a regular domi with faction sentries in null and can run forsaken hubs solo all day long. working on training everything up for full t2 fit. i have zero guns on my ship and rely solely on drone dps.

as far as the MJD fit goes i used to run that. half the time i would end up leaving my drones on accident and lose them, i no longer fit an mjd EVER to my domi. warp in to an anom at 70km's....i don't use a ship tracking enhancer.....align to station and drop my wardens. once they get within range of the gardes i pull my wardens and drop them to finish off the re
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