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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-07-30 10:51:14 UTC
ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.

unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess...


Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs

yah, ive read the changes. theyre not fixing HACs...

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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#42 - 2013-07-30 10:58:21 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.

unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess...


Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs

yah, ive read the changes. theyre not fixing HACs...

the changes are not final and look pretty good to me maybe some tweaks are in place but its a huge improvement

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#43 - 2013-07-30 12:10:55 UTC
Bamsey Amraa wrote:
Its simply.

If CCP broke my game and fun in WH i just go to play another game.

End story.

cool can i have your stuff?

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#44 - 2013-07-30 12:17:13 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.

unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess...


Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs

yah, ive read the changes. theyre not fixing HACs...


WTF HAC are supposed to be used for is beyond me.

T2s beat T3s at their specialization for every hull type except HAC. If T3 are supposed to be more flexible (they are) but not as good as T2 in their specialization (they aren't except HAC) then I would say they have accomplished their plan. Should T3 get some SLIGHT nerfs? Yes, but notice the modifier SLIGHT. The pitchfork and torch clan is out rioting to have them nerf into the ground...
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#45 - 2013-07-30 12:27:30 UTC
Onomerous wrote:

WTF HAC are supposed to be used for is beyond me.

they should be able to do soem amazing PVP
Quote:

T2s beat T3s at their specialization for every hull type except HAC. If T3 are supposed to be more flexible (they are) but not as good as T2 in their specialization (they aren't except HAC) then I would say they have accomplished their plan. Should T3 get some SLIGHT nerfs? Yes, but notice the modifier SLIGHT. The pitchfork and torch clan is out rioting to have them nerf into the ground...


HAC`s and commandships are a joke compared to T3 boost ship and it is reflected in how much you see them and riddle me this why people only fly loki`s for the web bonus because the rapiers web bonus is indeed better but oh wait its paper thin thats why do i realy need to continue? T3s own EVERY T2 hull and are immense versatile not to mention that they can use nullifiers and covert ops cloak both at same time.

i do however agree on the do not nerf them into the ground but they need more then a slight tweak i can tell you that. you can cry about it but it is what is needed to balance the rest of the ships. T3s should never be a i win button and at this point they are just that

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#46 - 2013-07-30 12:42:40 UTC
Versatility in wspace. Thank you.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#47 - 2013-07-30 14:53:58 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Versatility in wspace. Thank you.


they always where and always will be versatile they just gonna loose the i win button (trough a hardly needed rebalance) and probably loose the ability to use covert ops cloak + nullified sub they wont loose either one but cant use them together

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#48 - 2013-07-30 18:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:

Bullshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved.

ok can i have your stuff?


No, I'm going to give them ro the person who hates you the most so he can have more ships to shoot at you with.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#49 - 2013-07-30 18:43:20 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Versatility in wspace. Thank you.


Certainly some type of input? Thank you.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#50 - 2013-07-30 20:51:58 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:

Bullshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved.

ok can i have your stuff?


No, I'm going to give them ro the person who hates you the most so he can have more ships to shoot at you with.


how lovely

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-07-31 01:17:27 UTC
From some of the responses in this thread sounds like the realities of the T3 nerf are starting to dawn on people. That's good. Lets hope CCP listens.

Don't ban me, bro!
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#52 - 2013-07-31 03:25:06 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Versatility in wspace. Thank you.

Certainly some type of input? Thank you.



Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Dringy Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-07-31 05:10:32 UTC
5 days off legion...... *should i stop* ? ; )
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-07-31 05:33:18 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:

Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?


And don't forget rigs, no one will fit a T2 rig on a ship to destroy it a day later for an other config... .

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#55 - 2013-07-31 12:31:36 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Onomerous wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Versatility in wspace. Thank you.

Certainly some type of input? Thank you.



Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?


ONLY by fit in space can they be versatile? You are missing quite a bit.

And NO, NO, NO to fit in space. I fly T3s primarily and I'm 100% against fit in space for reasons already explained in the many different "T3s should be able to fit in space" threads. Bad idea is bad.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#56 - 2013-07-31 12:32:45 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:

Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?


And don't forget rigs, no one will fit a T2 rig on a ship to destroy it a day later for an other config... .


As long as changing rigs IN SPACE is not allowed, I would be all for this to make T3 more flexible.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#57 - 2013-07-31 13:07:26 UTC
Like I said, CCP will probably make dedicated t3 rigs, made from sleeper loot, that is install able and removable without being destroyed from t3's and banning the equipping of normal kspace rigs from t3's.

If CCP is intelligent, they'll go by balancing the t3's by doing something like that, which they can adjust the damage, tank, etc through these unique rigs.

Yaay!!!!
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-07-31 14:28:47 UTC
Or just make rigs removable and reusable on T3s.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Kitty Baugh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-31 16:01:54 UTC
Was going to train for a loki
Glad I stumbled across this thread...
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#60 - 2013-07-31 16:12:40 UTC
Kitty Baugh wrote:
Was going to train for a loki
Glad I stumbled across this thread...

Probs still should tbh. There are no skills you need to a T3 that arent helpful anyway. Unless you hate the Matari T2 Cruisers.