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2nd Amenedment.

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Hells Merc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-07-29 19:54:44 UTC
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#2 - 2013-07-29 23:18:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
There are a whole lot of violent deaths to prevent Ugh The powers that be want to keep the population fearful. So, whenever a tragic mass killing occurs it is plastered on every media outlet for days. All the while, all the good news and all the lives saved, with or without the assistance of firearms, by courageous people, are buried in the trenches UghUghEvil

CDC All causes of mortality for the US 2010

Look violent death made it into the top 15

Even adolescent death rates are fractionally caused by violent crime. 1% out of 100,000 deaths

If my point is missed. If those that want to save peoples lives really want to start saving lots of peoples lives they should start mandating exercise and healthy eating as guns really do not kill that many people, but people are definitely hell bent on killing themselves very very slowly, at the expense of the tax payers too boot.

P.S. I do not advocate my last statement even though I am a Health and Wellness Professional.

Just so I do not need to link it later. 'We' can not stop all the violence
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#3 - 2013-07-29 23:38:10 UTC
For example this news did not make National NewsUgh

The above hero is one tough SOB and it sucks that he was not carrying a gun Ugh
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-07-29 23:51:57 UTC
Its odd how hard people will fight to keep their second amendment yet do nothing to protect their first amendmentStraight
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-07-30 00:06:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its odd how hard people will fight to keep their second amendment yet do nothing to protect their first amendmentStraight


We let our guns do the talking

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-07-30 00:56:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its odd how hard people will fight to keep their second amendment yet do nothing to protect their first amendmentStraight


The issue here is that amendment defense groups have been largely specialized into single-issue bludgeons. Pan-libertarian groups are marginalized because most (all?) other political groups have a genuine disdain for one or more parts of the bill of rights (liberals today generally hate state's rights, conservatives today generally hate limiting the military power of the federal government).

So while the second amendment crew is still happily pursuing their own agenda, the first amendment crowd (the ACLU was historically at the forefront of this) has gone far afield of their charge. They tend to very selectively defend free speech and have yet to win many challenges against the security state in regards to free speech (see the Bradley Manning case which will be decided tomorrow).

Add to it the fact that the so-called "fourth estate," (journalists) are now more than ever enobled by the state and in the pocket of the political power structure. At the latest "Aspen Convention," of the defense department's most notorrious warmongers and torture-advocates not a word was spoken about the unjust wars still being fought by the US military. Many a joke was had at the expense of "collateral damage," and torture victims.

So the state does as it will and the people who have little or no voice in what that state does in their name simply live on with what freedom they still have. Surely a resident of the Isle of CCTV knows what I mean. Blink
duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#7 - 2013-07-30 05:59:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its odd how hard people will fight to keep their second amendment yet do nothing to protect their first amendmentStraight



As goes the 2nd so goes the 1st my friend.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#8 - 2013-07-30 06:03:24 UTC
no explanation. no click.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#9 - 2013-07-30 06:39:56 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
There are a whole lot of violent deaths to prevent Ugh The powers that be want to keep the population fearful. So, whenever a tragic mass killing occurs it is plastered on every media outlet for days. All the while, all the good news and all the lives saved, with or without the assistance of firearms, by courageous people, are buried in the trenches UghUghEvil

CDC All causes of mortality for the US 2010

Look violent death made it into the top 15

Even adolescent death rates are fractionally caused by violent crime. 1% out of 100,000 deaths

If my point is missed. If those that want to save peoples lives really want to start saving lots of peoples lives they should start mandating exercise and healthy eating as guns really do not kill that many people, but people are definitely hell bent on killing themselves very very slowly, at the expense of the tax payers too boot.

P.S. I do not advocate my last statement even though I am a Health and Wellness Professional.

Just so I do not need to link it later. 'We' can not stop all the violence


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"Maybe because we are the only kingdom that both haves an issue with dragon manslaughter and breeds dragons...?"

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#10 - 2013-07-30 07:13:43 UTC
People kill people, guns make it easier.

Switzerland is better armed than the US, conclusion is that US culture that is ****** up, not the concept of being armed.

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duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#11 - 2013-07-30 07:23:41 UTC
For too long we have let those in DC screw our country up. At some point we all need to unite and say enough is enough. The divide us turning 1 group against another. They do this via the media that is owned by 3 different corporations. Left wing, right wing does not matter the bird of oppression needs both to fly.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-07-30 07:56:15 UTC
duglas Luven wrote:



As goes the 2nd so goes the 1st my friend.


You dont need guns for free speech. Any nation that does is in very big trouble.

duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#13 - 2013-07-30 08:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: duglas Luven
baltec1 wrote:
duglas Luven wrote:



As goes the 2nd so goes the 1st my friend.


You dont need guns for free speech. Any nation that does is in very big trouble.



let me beak it down for you:

An armed citizenry is a free citizenry. The founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment not to protect our right to hunt. but so that we would be able to protect ourselves from oppression and attack. If the government wishes to silence it's people (free speech) they 1st take the guns away. IE Germany in the 30's, China, USSR under Stalin, Cambodia, the list goes on and on. It starts with a "We need to protect our children" crap, Hit-ler did that. Look where it got the jews and those that SPOKE OUT (again with the free speech). Do you think people would have been rounded up like cattle if they were armed, no they would have resisted it, some would have died, but not millions as it was.

So when i say "As goes the 2nd so goes the 1st my friend" it's very much true and has been proven time and time again.

I guess another way to put it would be: As goes the gun so goes the pen.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#14 - 2013-07-30 09:05:56 UTC
Hows that NSA thing working out for you?

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duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#15 - 2013-07-30 09:11:07 UTC
You are digressing.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#16 - 2013-07-30 09:18:42 UTC
Nope, looks like when the dice land and there's a reason to do as Benjamin Franklin recommended, a periodic revolution whenever the governing powers that be overstep there must be a correction, that nothing actually happens. The Executive has turned to a closed Judicial to twist the meaning of the Patriot Act into whatever it deemed necessary for the NSA. The NSA then openly lied to the Legislature and was not punished, only the whistle-blower has been hunted across the world and demonetised in advance of a theoretical fair trial. The President even ran on a basis of openness on whistleblowers, which has been removed from his old website.

At which point did anyone consider a rebellion? Why should I take your position seriously?

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duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#17 - 2013-07-30 09:58:14 UTC
We know.

"Why should I take your position seriously?"

You changed the subject from the 2nd amendment when I spelled it out to you very clearly. That obviously means you have no rebuttal to it. So either you do take it serious or you just can't think of some socialist propaganda to throw at the facts.

While we have our share of issues over here they are our issues and you would well served to worry about your own

IE After the UK banned guns murder went up by 40%
Jessica Onzo
Pagan Grove
#18 - 2013-07-30 10:01:03 UTC
When you outlaw guns only outlaws have guns.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#19 - 2013-07-30 10:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
No, I'm taking the position that the intended point of the second was to backup the people if the constitution was ever overstepped. It has been overstepped, and not a peep about using the citizens counter to this beyond elections, where one was campaigned for and partially won on the basis of openness and repealing the Patriot Act.

In other words, far as I can tell the guns for its intended purpose are little more than a security blanket to make the population feel good, rather than a tool. Conclusion, the guns are there for people to defend themselves against each other, any agruement that they are to counter the government as you referred to the Third Reich, USSR and Cambodia is null and void.

duglas Luven wrote:


IE After the UK banned guns murder went up by 40%


This is incorrect, there was a 40% increase in gun related crime, not a murder rate. For UK statistical purposes any crime with a gun present is included, robbery, car-jacking ect.

Even then, the total number of killings by firearms in the UK in 2011 was 146 and on a downward trend in general.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2013-07-30 10:23:08 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

This is incorrect, there was a 40% increase in gun related crime, not a murder rate. For UK statistical purposes any crime with a gun present is included, robbery, car-jacking ect.

Even then, the total number of killings by firearms in the UK in 2011 was 146 and on a downward trend in general.

Was just about to post the same thing, source http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/gun-crime.

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