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Does anyone have a good up to date Arazu fit?

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Whitehound
#61 - 2013-07-29 11:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Bertrand Butler wrote:
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Judge the fittings of others as terrible and fly yours anyway you like, but it is you who failed to hold the point. If you run out of cap or have gimped your speed makes no difference to the outcome of the failfit.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. I just explained to you that speed is almost irrelevant in a SG armor support role. And I really CANNOT take seriously someone who posts the following as a valid Arazu fit.
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A 200mil <10k EHP active tanked support ship, complete with a LCB (!), no cloak, split DPS, a meta4 ******* long point and an OIS. Please.

There is a cloak. I had added it in brackets. I did not think anyone would complain about it when one can just take the launcher out, which I did mention, but the crying of the trolls wants to be heard and so I added it into the comment. Keep thinking I would not use cloaks. I do not care.

You either do not decloak when you see multiple ships before your gang arrives, or you decloak to tackle a solo ship, which you then can either try to kill on your own or you wait for your gang. You do however try to hold tackle for as long as it is necessary and use damps to avoid getting locked up. This is by far the safest way. You only need to watch the speeds, watch out for drones, some you can outrun, others you can kill with your own drones, and sometimes do you need to run for it, because other ships show up.

The cap battery and recharger only makes it carefree by being cap stable.

I agree with you that it needs a rebalance, but until then is it a slow ship and gimping its speed (and inertia) for a tank when one can just use damps is a bad trade. You only invite your target to try. You do not need expensive points when you can dampen down a target's lock range to a few kilometres.

And the Arazu will eventually die. Why sweeten someone else's killmail when you can avoid it?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#62 - 2013-07-29 12:40:44 UTC
That is pure bull m8.
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#63 - 2013-07-29 15:54:42 UTC
Im sorry whitehound, i have been browsing the forums recently, came across some of your posts, and seriously, most of the fits you posted are almost all horrible EFT nightmares, like you never undock or something.

It is very tempting to post numbers and careful chosen modules, yet the results are practically terrible. Also whats with that MAAR fetish ? It's puzzling.
Whitehound
#64 - 2013-07-29 16:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Tung Yoggi wrote:
Im sorry whitehound, i have been browsing the forums recently, came across some of your posts, and seriously, most of the fits you posted are almost all horrible EFT nightmares, like you never undock or something.

It is very tempting to post numbers and careful chosen modules, yet the results are practically terrible. Also whats with that MAAR fetish ? It's puzzling.

Then please say what your problem is or bring a fitting of your own and explain how you use it, because I think you are just trolling me. Until then can nobody help you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2013-07-29 16:16:13 UTC
Do you have any killmails with that Arazu fit? Perhaps on another character? Whitehound
Whitehound
#66 - 2013-07-29 16:34:00 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Do you have any killmails with that Arazu fit? Perhaps on another character? Whitehound

What you do is getting a bit creepy, you know? Just stop. See the above comment. Shocked

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-07-29 17:42:42 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Do you have any killmails with that Arazu fit? Perhaps on another character? Whitehound

What you do is getting a bit creepy, you know? Just stop. See the above comment. Shocked

lolwut?

In case you've never seen one before, it's called a killboard. I know it might be difficult to decipher, but all you have to do is type a character name in and you can see a person's kills and losses. When I type "Whitehound" into zkillboard, I see 2 kills and a bunch of losses, none of them involving an Arazu. I'm not sure what would be creepy about that, since it's the single most commonly used tool by every PvP pilot in EVE.

This tells me that you don't know WTF you're talking about, which I kind of already knew, since your Arazu fit didn't even include a cloak. The point of a covert recon is to cyno in the DPS, not to dish it out. I'm not a solo pvp'er and my experience is mostly medium to large gang hotdrops (brought in by an Arazu), but... it sure looks like someone with a MWD, scram, and TD could own you pretty easily. Toss in a neut and you're done. But my knowledge is far too limited to be certain of that.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-07-29 17:42:47 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
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Some of the fits in this thread are pretty terrible.

[Arazu, Arazu P-3p]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
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Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
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Being the slowest so far I think is yours sure one of them. Anything from AB frigates to MWD BCs can slip out from under its point. Lol


You're not supposed to hold point, you uncloak and have 80km point range, they have to burn out of that point range instead of immediately warping away giving your fleet time to grab secondary tackle on them.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#69 - 2013-07-29 17:49:03 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Do you have any killmails with that Arazu fit? Perhaps on another character? Whitehound

What you do is getting a bit creepy, you know? Just stop. See the above comment. Shocked

lolwut?

In case you've never seen one before, it's called a killboard. I know it might be difficult to decipher, but all you have to do is type a character name in and you can see a person's kills and losses. When I type "Whitehound" into zkillboard, I see 2 kills and a bunch of losses, none of them involving an Arazu. I'm not sure what would be creepy about that, since it's the single most commonly used tool by every PvP pilot in EVE.

This tells me that you don't know WTF you're talking about, which I kind of already knew, since your Arazu fit didn't even include a cloak. The point of a covert recon is to cyno in the DPS, not to dish it out. I'm not a solo pvp'er and my experience is mostly medium to large gang hotdrops (brought in by an Arazu), but... it sure looks like someone with a MWD, scram, and TD could own you pretty easily. Toss in a neut and you're done. But my knowledge is far too limited to be certain of that.


Never bring killboard stats into an argument, they dont tell you that much and if someone with 0 kills and 5k losses is right that doesnt change a thing, they mean as much in an argument as you can judge a corp/player by its battleclnic rank ("lol my corp is higher ranked then you thus i am right").

You of course are right but still its bad manners.
Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-07-29 17:55:46 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Never bring killboard stats into an argument, they dont tell you that much and if someone with 0 kills and 5k losses is right that doesnt change a thing, they mean as much in an argument as you can judge a corp/player by its battleclnic rank ("lol my corp is higher ranked then you thus i am right").

You of course are right but still its bad manners.

I wasn't interested in stats and it's not the win/loss that I'm focused on (he could easily have a different PvP main). I just wanted to see what he was going up against to get an idea of how his fit is supposed to work. What I should have said was "I can tell by your answer here that you don't know what you're talking about, because you're talking crazy about... something... I have no idea what you're saying, but it's nothing to do with defending the fit and clearly just a dodge."
Whitehound
#71 - 2013-07-29 18:19:06 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
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Some of the fits in this thread are pretty terrible.

[Arazu, Arazu P-3p]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
...
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
...

Being the slowest so far I think is yours sure one of them. Anything from AB frigates to MWD BCs can slip out from under its point. Lol


You're not supposed to hold point, you uncloak and have 80km point range, they have to burn out of that point range instead of immediately warping away giving your fleet time to grab secondary tackle on them.

Nonsense. You might as well fly some other ship. I get the idea, but this is what you use a Combat Recon for, a Stealth Bomber or a Proteus. You could just bump it with the Proteus. You do want to hold point, because your mates can be several jumps away. Bertrand's Arazu does like 1200 m/s with that fitting. Anything that can shoot from range will attack it and most everything else will try to burn away. If that it is his thing then fine, but telling others their fittings are terrible when his could easily win the price of being the most terrible here deserve to be commented. Maybe do not start with the nonsense. Just as an idea...

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-07-29 18:27:10 UTC
You have no idea how to fly the razu

unless you're bait fit you're never going to be the first thing that the enemy sees on grid
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#73 - 2013-07-29 20:00:13 UTC
On topic, Arazu took another serious hit with the cyno change on T3s. Armor fitted, an Arazu is basically what you can fly if you don't have the money for a Proteus.
I suppose if you shield fit it, it's still an 'ok' scout boat that can reach decent speed, but will not use both ewar bonuses decently. Get a short and long point, shield tank, nano, cloak and probe launcher and it will do its job fine. Well, not that great, until the fabled recon ships rebalance (please).

Now whitehound, please resume trolling. Oops
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#74 - 2013-07-29 20:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
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Bertrand's Arazu does like 1200 m/s with that fitting. Anything that can shoot from range will attack it and most everything else will try to burn away. If that it is his thing then fine, but telling others their fittings are terrible when his could easily win the price of being the most terrible here deserve to be commented. Maybe do not start with the nonsense. Just as an idea...


Again, you are missing the point man. I posted a - fairly standard when T2ed - support arazu for armor gangs. I tried to explain to you how it is flown, where to pay attention when fitting it and how much speed is irrelevant when its used as a support ship. You don't seem to understand it. Your obsession over speed is both illogical and unfounded.

Another thing. If you really want to damp someone, you keep a ~30m isk Celestis 100km away from him and gather the tears, not use a 200m+ force recon. You are trying to use the arazu as a fl combat ship, its simply not designed for it. You are also trying to theorycraft about it as a solo ship, and not as an integral part of a bigger gang/setup.
Whitehound
#75 - 2013-07-29 20:09:37 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Again, you are missing the point man. I posted a - fairly standard when T2ed - support arazu for armor gangs. I tried to explain to you how it is flown, where to pay attention when fitting it and how much speed is irrelevant when its used as a support ship. You don't seem to understand it. Your obsession over speed is both illogical and unfounded.

Another thing. If you really want to damp someone, you keep a ~30m isk Celestis 100km away from him and gather the tears, not use a 200m+ force recon. You are trying to use the arazu as a fl combat ship, its simply not designed for it.

Do not worry. I get you. I only would not fly it like you do but still respect individuality. I do not really judge you for it, but when you challenge me then it is "what goes around, comes around". Cool

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-07-29 22:56:12 UTC
Fraps it in action and show us how it's done. With the miracle of video, there's really no reason for these sorts of arguments.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#77 - 2013-07-29 23:11:08 UTC
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