EVE General Discussion

No, you're absolutely right, the answer is "a modern code kernel and underlying infrastructure that can dynamically allocate resources," and there are absolutely no devils lurking in the implementation details. Nope. None whatsoever.

Sarcasm aside, CCP has had some very bright people working on this problem since... Incursion, I believe. If it was a simple problem, they would have solved it long since. It's not a simple problem.

TiDi makes lag equal and predictable for all participants, which is a net win.

So if a wife beater spreads his beatings equally amongst the family, instead of focussing on the wife alone, this is a net win; as opposed to him addressing the root issue and not giving beatings? Did I get that about right?

You sir, are an EvE TiDi Stokholm syndrome victim; seek help immediately....

Clearly you don't remember the glory of shotgunning dual ISDN modems in the age of the dialup.

Its like this ...

You have a dog. And its am inteligent dog. So you decide to explain to hom how arihmatics work and that you simply do not have the strength to throw the ball as far as the dog would like.
But hes just a dog, he does not understand. What he does understand is that you are not throwing the ball far enough.


Having over four thousand people, fighting, on one server, at the same time, with out having the servers colapse and die is a testament to amazing ammount of work and dedication CCP and employees invested. Simply put no other game in existance can, in any way or form, support something even remotley close to 6VDT battle.

But a dog does not understand.
The dog wants the ball to fly longer and harder. So he barks in frustration while his master is trying to explain why that is ...

EDIT: I joined teh battle when 4k people mark has been surpessed, it let me in. It was possible, but you needed patience. Something many people lack. And thusly fail to acomplish their goals.

Good lord, man, listen to yourself. I don't even want to know why you thought that was an appropriate analogy. Since you're clearly lost enough to think that it is, I'll break this down for you:

1) Hardware has limits. You might say that they're... hard limits (YEEEEEEEAAAH);

2) Software cannot work around those limits;

3) The usual way to increase the load-bearing ability of a platform is to add more hardware, then break the problem up into smaller pieces and assign the smaller pieces to more machines (or, increasingly processing units on the same machine);

4) One of the the bottlenecks in EVE is the software that takes all the small pieces of a combat and puts them together in order, a project that is very, very hard to break into smaller pieces;

5) Another bottleneck is the process of notifying every participant of the results produced by the physics engine. Moving this to a separate thread that can be called asynchronously from the physics engine is a current project by CCP Veritas and his team, but there are nasty dependency issues that prevent it from being easy (the sort of issues that don't come up in the tidy little examples you work on in college);

6) Another bottleneck? Querying the database for a player's full information every time the game needs to access it. CCP has had a long-term project to produce a "brain in a box"--essentially, a "box" object containing a player's state that can be passed between nodes easily. If and when this effort is successful, session changes will no longer be the huge load on the server that they currently are. The problem? Something has to be able to update the contents of the box, or the skill you just finished training won't be acknowledged by the engine until something gets around to querying the database again--or some event system pushes a message out to update the "brain" in a particular player's "box." Either way, not a simple problem. CCP Veritas has also been working on this;

None of this has anything to do with beating anyone, because the wife beater has the obvious option of not beating anyone, with less time and effort expended and only positive consequences for all concerned. Time Dilation is triage. Of course it's not optimal, but it's the best solution available under the circumstances. CCP is working on better solutions, but they're not simple, so Time Dilation it is.

tl;dr: You need to get past the idea that CCP just needs you to spend a rainy Saturday afternoon throwing buzzwords at the problem, and they haven't because they enjoy beating people? or they're lazy? or whatever. Some technical problems are actually damn hard, and when the ideal solution is damn hard, a band-aid solution is better than nothing.

i'm a paying eve user and i hate socialized lag. that's why i hang around provi, where there isn't much lag. blobfests aren't fun until the lag problem has been solved, but that's just not gonna happen.

I once bought a piece of crap car because my older car blew an engine and I had a chance to get a crap car that ran instead of the better car I had that could no longer run (needed an engine replaced). This older pos car was a temporary fix until I was at a spot I could afford to A)Get a new car, or B)Replace the motor in my old car.

The salesman didn't try saying how good the car was, he flat out listened to me and understood I was on a budget and simply sold me a car.

tl;dr Do not try to pass off the pos car as "better" just because it works. Especially if you advertise it as being good, when it isn't.

There is no shame in admitting it's crap, there are other things out there in Eve that can be just as much fun.

We all know CCP needs to overhaul their systems if they are to justify their advertisements.

Technically, neither could Eve.

A better analogy would be that you couldn't use your roadster because you had to haul 30 kids to a game, and you're complaining that the bus you had to use didn't handle like a roadster.

Well, duh.

CCP can optimize and optimize and optimize--in case you missed the relevant article, the game already runs on the equivalent of a supercomputer, and it's considered a technological marvel--but look at the numbers: 6VDT was a 4000-member fight between a ~13,000 member alliance (plus ~mumble~ allies) and a ~35,000 member coalition. Do you believe for a second that if the node had been able to host 6,000 people instead, that it wouldn't have been a 6,000 member fleet fight?

Time Dilation allows the game to run fairly and predictably under loads that would make any other engine curl up in a fetal crouch and cry for mommy. That is a feature.

I was giggling excessively in an insane manner for almost 6 hours straight yesterday (1.5h-g/kP-local).
If we had been 6k players in local (9h-g) it would have been fatal!

Please don't spend more dollar on even crazier military hardware CCP, I value my vocal cords!