In-Game Events and Gatherings

All I hurl is the truth.
1. You scored 0 Kills across this campaign.
2. AFK Cloakers can be made and operational within a week.
3. The T1 Cruiser was orbiting at 1k, because I told it to.
4. Most of your kills were cyno alts. It will take more effort to kill better targets.

I'm fully aware it changes nothing, but I'm not aiming to change anything. You guys are the ones claiming you are going to destroy goons, and how goons are suffering under your wrath, so who's hurling what here eh?

Oh no there's that whole pet propaganda bull again! My feelings, so hurt! How will I ever continue to be part of the biggest coalition in the game, and enjoy the fruits of full SRP knowing that you think I'm a pet!
lol. You realise that doesn't really mean anything right? It's propaganda made up by people not understanding how a coalition works in attempts to cause dissension in our ranks. Sometimes I forget that while you've been playing for 7 years, you've got about as much game experience as Harry.

I agree with absolutely everything Aidan says.

It's kind of depressing to travel through null and see that there is a huge lot of empty space there. You can travel through a lot of systems and not see a single soul, or in others like in VFK just see a bunch of alts hugging their stations.

I'd dare say about 60% of the game is empty. Not "VFK empty" as it was debated in the other thread, but actually empty. Meanwhile other players fight over anomalies and ore in high sec.

Bottom line is: someone lied to those players about the spooky dangers of nullsec. We are just trying to show it to them.

I wouldn't say the event was a complete success in the sense you expect, but it was a success in the fact that we are carebear noobs with cheap fits and low SP (or at least I am), went to VFK, shot something down (anything) and came back alive, even if at the expense of a exaggeratedly playstile. Not much harm was caused for both sides, you can call it a draw, but it's good enough for me.

Pissing someone off while doing that is just a fun side effect



EDIT: Just a side note, I had so much fun when a goon said that he was going to blow up my "delivery package" to Mittanigrad while it contained a Male Exotic Dancer... good luck trying to blow him up pal

Right well let's address quite a few points here.
1. High sec player count
While high sec player count is high, a lot of the population of high sec is alts. Trade alts and high sec production alts. PI alts, etc. Example: I'm a null sec player. Most of the time I'm logged on to 6 accounts. Of those 2 are in null sec, and 4 will be in high sec. You can't just assume populations and

2. Illusion of a dangerous null sec
Who says this? This is nonsense. It's a well documented fact that null sec is considered safer than low sec and WH space. The only safer place is high sec, which you can't dispute. Sure if you are transporting half a bil of trit in a T1 hauler, you aren't safe in high sec, but then you aren't safe anywhere. You're unlikely to find your Abaddon getting caught by a gate camp though.

3. Achieve that by shooting cynos!
Right, this one you guys seem to keep missing the point on. But here goes: Try watching those cynos. Once the cap jumps in, they self destruct. All you are doing is saving them 2 minutes of wait time. They are disposable alts in disposable ships. CAp pilots need the cyno pilot back in action in a new disposable ship as soon as possible. You help that.

4. A more diverse, more interesting EVE
Except most people won't do what you do. The dying isn't the problem. It's the fact that you have to travel so far every time you get popped, and most of the time you spend cloaked, not earning isk for your shiny ships. Most people will get bored of the cloaked camper lifestyle quick, that's why they do it with non-combat alts.

You guys seem to have pulled the ideas of nullsec out of nowhere. Harry has proven time and time again that he has no clue what is going on, and you guys listen to everything he says like it's gospel. You can feel free to play the game however you want, but if you keep making threads about it being "Goon Doomsday" and saying have the goons are suffering, and bestowing upon yourselves the title "King of high sec", then expect to get reamed out on here. Honestly, we couldn't care less if you want to travel 20 jumps to come sit in a destroyer in our space, least of which VFK.

At the end of the day, all you guys did was come down, speed up some cyno kills, give Joe something to do while he was in 10% tidi on his Op, and once again show that Harry is immature and unable to form a coherent rageless sentence. High sec bears won't be going "20 jumps in a destroyer through null sec to sit at goon HQ for hours waiting for another cyno to undock? SIGN ME UP!".

Leafar Nightfall: I did blow up your cargo container with your dancer in it. So thanks for the good luck I suppose. Oh, and I'm not a goon.

1. Thinking back over the years, I have met two kinds of players. Those with Alts - like you and me, although I don't have six, but a humble 3 - and those without. While alts are quite common, not everyone has them. And then there are many HS-only players who have alts for production, etc.. So, no matter how you shift numbers, I think we can agree that at least 50% - or a larger number - of players hug HS like a child his mama. For various reasons. Some good. Some bad.

2. While I agree with your assessment: You obviously have lived in Null Sec for too long and do not know what many new players - but also older HS players - think awaits them in Null Sec.

3. So what? Did I ever say anywhere they are mightily important, valuable war targets? You should stop trolling/twisting words and read what I wrote above. Then rethink. That is what this other guy who looked like a voodoo priest didn't get either. So don't feel bad about it.

4. Only we do not only live the "cloaked camper lifestyle". We did it for this... lets call it phase. We also made a bunch of ISK in the month+ or so we were in VFK.



Thats the beauty of our arrangement there. I don't have to agree with Harry on anything. When Mittens says: "We attack this and that..." Probably all of the Goons will have to follow. I don't... Its the freedom that comes from playing with like-minded people without electing one dictator for life. Harry can call himself Pope of the Church of Ultimate Pwndom, if he wants to. So could I. :)



Then I wonder why our ranks grow. Slowly, but steadily...
Perhaps some players retain enough out of the box thinking skills to understand what we tried to prove.

Clever. More schoolyard humour.
Well you can consider me what you want. I'm CFC, which is the Goon coalition, but I'm not actually a Goon.

Aidan Brooder:
1. No, I wouldn't agree that 50% of PLAYERS are high sec. 50% of character maybe, but I doubt there's 50% of players that would consider themselves high sec.

2. What they think and what is told are 2 different things. Null sec alliances generally don't claim that null sec is unsafe. If you guys don't investigate and just assume then you are likely to jump to conclusions.

3. No, but how is helping goons speed up timers anything to do with "Goon Doomsday". I wonder if you guys even read the reasons Harry is saying you are doing all this.

4. So just to clarify, your diversity will be spending a week a month as a cloaked camper? Kinda like Harry has been all week? Honestly, there's so much BS being spoken from you guys that there seems to be no purpose behind this at all.

How do your rank grow? Are you doing what Harry is and claiming that anyone in VFK fighting goons is there because you are? You realise this happens constantly right? VFK is almost never clear of reds and neutrals.

You guys can talk all this talk as much as you want. Only action means anything, and you have failed to act. You claimed an invasion and delivered a bunch of schoolyard insults while cloaked up in local. I know you love to tell yoursel've you are bing "out of the box" and that this stuff is all new, but it's not. This is more "in the box" than null sec wars. It literally happens every day.

Just going to comment on that one point Lucas. Many people do think null sec is much, much more dangerous than low sec. "People can kill you without losing security status. It's full of warp bubbles. When you appear in Local, the rich alliance guys go into Intruder Alert Mode and jump on you with super shiney ships."

I've said many times in Hek and Rens Local, "Low sec is more dangerous than null sec." The uniform response: "Err, you're joking, right?" or "LOL, noob." The majority of people in high sec have no idea how relatively non-dangerous null sec is.

some people here don't understand how much i was posting, no time to check spelling all the time

bombing those letters out like torpedoes, huh, i missed one alsjdflajs still hitting :')

made videos, chatting, email, killing cynos! people don't understand how much work it is...

and i need to block some because it just gets too much, sorry

I'm no social worker, there are enough people I can talk to, those who just hold me up do not make sense

I tried to explain them stuff, but all the time I just think blocking them is the right thing, they just suck out my energy

I'm not quite sure I understand your reasoning. Why wouldn't you want another "target" in nullsec? Especially one that shows up at your front door.

Thanks for the polite correction, although I have noticed that before from your char info in the forum. I think you said that with an alt in VFK local but I honestly don't check the char corp everytime.

3. Harry mentioned some times that the objective was to bring carebears to null in the first thread. I think most of the rest is just propaganda and trolling for a laugh. Anyway, the guy might be in a roid rage and it won't matter for me, like Aidan said we can have different ideals and a common objective.

4. Nope. Tactics will improve as experience, SP and isk rise. I'm not even 3 months in the game, Harry isn't as well, and I'm not sure about the other guys, but speaking for me I'm just doing what I can.

Ranks are growing in the sense the people that bombed VFK randomly are joining the chat and helping with tips. If it will stick or not it's impossible to know, but people are showing support to this

AFK cloaked up pilots are pretty much impossible to find unless they want to be found. Then in the case of these guys, when you do find them, they are barely a blip on the kb. If a proper PvP pilot wants to come down, then fair enough, but these guys are a joke.


Sure, you can grow to be more of a threat, but it's unlikely to happen following Harry's lead. For example if you staged up in NPC null, and put together a corp, set up ship fits that complement each other and practice brawls, you could become a pretty good unit. If you are going to continue to "wing it" however against a coalition that fights alongside each other every day, you won;t get far. Bear in mind that the Goons aren't even in VFK at the moment. Once deployment ends and local sits at several hundred all the time and peaks in the thousands, you'll find it a bit more difficult to pick off cynos.

Aidan Brooder:
Yesterday the channel peaked at about 10. The neuts that are always having around VFK but aren't part of your crew aren't classed as your growth. This is almost running into exactly the same issue as before, when Harry claimed a random group of pirates Obelisk kill as his own. Dangerous ground.