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Is it normal to get scammed by The Mittani, Chairman of CSM ???

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AdmiraI Thrawn
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#241 - 2011-11-10 16:59:04 UTC
[quote=This is EVE

Morales smorales and really your expecting a GOON to follow YOUR morals?! 0.0 While your at it, maybe you can expect low sec pirate corps to not shoot you either, if you fly a hulk into low sec and don't pay the ransom.
[/quote]

I did hear about goons being scammers...I just didn't expect a CSM, the CSM chairman even to be one of them. I bought ships from Morsus Mihi with 3rd party, found that guy I bought from quite a nice and fun guy...they are red to us but that didn't stop us have a fun chat and do business. So all in all lead me into mistake. I thought pvp is pvp, we shake hands, say gf and no hard feelings. I also thought that CSM are some guys that help CCP to improve the game and make our wishes get to CCP.

Oh ****, I was wrong and payed 20 bil to realize it.

Still don't know why they appear on forum with that CSM thingie.
Could you please set there CSM SCAMMER? So we all know ?

Thanks,
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#242 - 2011-11-10 17:00:15 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Pathetic is one of the words that can pretty much describe you guys.

Spacerich is another word that can describe us. Thanks for helping out with that.


Get a face job, really...

I'm waiting for a CCP opinion about this...really curious


The word you are looking for is face lift.

I don't know what country you hail from. But here is a clue, just because someone is elected into a posistion does not make them trustworthy. For that matter, just because someone is a govt official, doesn't make them A. good at it, or B, honest.

A healthy dose of skepticism will do you well.
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#243 - 2011-11-10 17:03:20 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
ITT, Admiral Whatever went in the Lions' cage with a meat-suit.

With CCP, Mittens in a Chairman. Ingame, he is just a regular dude that likes to fsck over other peoples.

Oh and you might want to read this, It's probably what CCP is going to tell you : EULA


link to the rules of EVE
http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp

This is what CCP will fix. Please to be reading very carefully.
Cerisia
Red Phoenix Rising
#244 - 2011-11-10 17:05:39 UTC
At the start of this thread I kinda felt sorry for the chump who donated 20 bil to GSF, as the thread went on and I saw how little he actually knew about Mittens or indeed GSF, or the CSM I realised that he deserved everything he got.

He actually gave a huge amount of money to a Goon without doing any research at all into either the CSM , Mittens , or GSF.

Man , you deserved everything that happened to you.

I wouldn't trust a goon with 20 isk , let alone 20 bil (no offence guys it's just you have a bit of a reputation , one that clearly the OP seemed to miss completely)
This space for rent..
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#245 - 2011-11-10 17:07:35 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
KSUDruid wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
I'm waiting for a CCP opinion about this...really curious


Build a bridge and get over it...

CCP can't help because Mittani hasn't broken any rules. If he had broken the rules/EULA whatever then sure, CCP would look favourably towards you. However in this instance, you made a mistake therefore no rules were broken.

If you wish to unsub your accounts then so be it, you will still be out of said 20bill, someone is flying a nyx and the rest of us can have a laugh.

Enjoy WoW won't you



You don't get it, do you? In game scam is ok, is allowed, part of the game. CSM is not ingame syndicate, they actually go and meet CCP in real LIFE ! So CCP deals with scumbags about my future in game? I don't like that, I vote NO !


Let me put it this way.

CSM are not part of CCP. CSM's are not CCP employees. CSM's pay to play the game. If people voted for me, I would be a CSM. I get to go to iceland two times a year, hang out. I get to attend meetings with CCP Dev's and shoot the breeze. But that would not make me a CCP employee, just a player, that the rest of eve liked enough to vote to go off and get drunk with the dev's.

If I scam you, pod you, take your assets, blow up your alliance, wage war on you, I am free to do that.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#246 - 2011-11-10 17:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zions Child
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Quote:
This is EVE

Morales smorales and really your expecting a GOON to follow YOUR morals?! 0.0 While your at it, maybe you can expect low sec pirate corps to not shoot you either, if you fly a hulk into low sec and don't pay the ransom.


I did hear about goons being scammers...I just didn't expect a CSM, the CSM chairman even to be one of them. I bought ships from Morsus Mihi with 3rd party, found that guy I bought from quite a nice and fun guy...they are red to us but that didn't stop us have a fun chat and do business. So all in all lead me into mistake. I thought pvp is pvp, we shake hands, say gf and no hard feelings. I also thought that CSM are some guys that help CCP to improve the game and make our wishes get to CCP.

Oh ****, I was wrong and payed 20 bil to realize it.

Still don't know why they appear on forum with that CSM thingie.
Could you please set there CSM SCAMMER? So we all know ?

Thanks,




You are absolutely terrible at EVE. You're also terrible at posting, and appear to have deep seated trust issues. Namely, that you trust people waaay to easily.

By the way, the saying "there is no such thing as a wrong opinion" is, in fact, wrong. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and your opinion that you deserve recompense for being scammed by a player is an opinion that is, in fact, wrong.
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#247 - 2011-11-10 17:10:39 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
DISCLAIMER: I am not commenting, nor am I going to comment, on the particular case that is being discussed here. My comments here are simply to clarify our stance on the rights and duties of CSM members; they are in no way any indication of CCPs views on the morality of these things.

Any CSM member, no matter who he or she ma be, is bound by the EULA and ToS (as any other player is) and by the NDA that they signed when they took office. Other then these rules, they are free to enjoy EVE Online in any way they see fit, no matter their chosen play style. In the end they are free to enjoy the game like any other player, as long as they do not abuse any NDA bound information to get ahead.




CCP, this guy made an abuse using his CSM Chairman position to scam me. I dunno if it breaks EULA or so. But that's what he did.


No, he did not.

He used your naivety and inability to do a 5 minute google search to scam you. The fact that you felt you could trust a CSM, without doing any checking, is on you, not him.
Day Tradin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2011-11-10 17:11:31 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

Still don't know why they appear on forum with that CSM thingie.
Could you please set there CSM SCAMMER? So we all know ?



The Mittiani already has "scammer" listed. You see where it says "Goonswarm"?
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#249 - 2011-11-10 17:12:04 UTC
Lunas Whisper wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
DISCLAIMER: I am not commenting, nor am I going to comment, on the particular case that is being discussed here. My comments here are simply to clarify our stance on the rights and duties of CSM members; they are in no way any indication of CCPs views on the morality of these things.

Any CSM member, no matter who he or she ma be, is bound by the EULA and ToS (as any other player is) and by the NDA that they signed when they took office. Other then these rules, they are free to enjoy EVE Online in any way they see fit, no matter their chosen play style. In the end they are free to enjoy the game like any other player, as long as they do not abuse any NDA bound information to get ahead.




CCP, this guy made an abuse using his CSM Chairman position to scam me. I dunno if it breaks EULA or so. But that's what he did.


No, he did not.

He used your naivety and inability to do a 5 minute google search to scam you. The fact that you felt you could trust a CSM, without doing any checking, is on you, not him.


Five minutes? More like five seconds.
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#250 - 2011-11-10 17:15:20 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Lulz. I'm not even a supercap pilot nor do I live in null, and even *I* know never to use anyone other than Chribba, regardless of their position anywhere in CCP or it's player elected representative roles.

Thrawn, you did something incredibly stupid and instead of sucking it up like a man you whined about a game that is "working as intended". CCP isn't there to insure that you make smart, wise choices. They provide the sandbox and we are allowed to play in it any way we choose with a small set of rules. CCP didn't elect Mittens into office, the players did. His job is to address technical game related issues that are raised by his constituents that voted for him and present them to CCP for consideration. His duties end there. Period. You were socially engineered. Unfortunately your idiocy isn't something that the Dev's can fix.

To demand that CSM members (whom's duties consist of things done outside of game, such as technical advisement) act by your criterion of moral standards while they are in-game and in-character is laughable and severely naive. Your tears, however, are delicious.

BTW - If you get another Nyx, I'll buy it from you for 40bil. I happen to know a very good broker service we can use.


Bolding the part you really need to read and read and read and read some more.

CCP, gives us the sandbox, how we play in this sandbox(with very little oversight) is up to us. This is a game for adults. If you want to make someone pay for hurting you, there are mechanism for that IN THE GAME. Hell a simple read through Crime and Punishment gives you the mechanisms to make those 2849eaqkidkl593108de's pay.
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#251 - 2011-11-10 17:16:08 UTC
Zions Child wrote:
Lunas Whisper wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
DISCLAIMER: I am not commenting, nor am I going to comment, on the particular case that is being discussed here. My comments here are simply to clarify our stance on the rights and duties of CSM members; they are in no way any indication of CCPs views on the morality of these things.

Any CSM member, no matter who he or she ma be, is bound by the EULA and ToS (as any other player is) and by the NDA that they signed when they took office. Other then these rules, they are free to enjoy EVE Online in any way they see fit, no matter their chosen play style. In the end they are free to enjoy the game like any other player, as long as they do not abuse any NDA bound information to get ahead.




CCP, this guy made an abuse using his CSM Chairman position to scam me. I dunno if it breaks EULA or so. But that's what he did.


No, he did not.

He used your naivety and inability to do a 5 minute google search to scam you. The fact that you felt you could trust a CSM, without doing any checking, is on you, not him.


Five minutes? More like five seconds.


I'm taking into account two fingered typing, because not everyone can type fast.
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#252 - 2011-11-10 17:20:07 UTC
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Lulz. I'm not even a supercap pilot nor do I live in null, and even *I* know never to use anyone other than Chribba, regardless of their position anywhere in CCP or it's player elected representative roles.

Thrawn, you did something incredibly stupid and instead of sucking it up like a man you whined about a game that is "working as intended". CCP isn't there to insure that you make smart, wise choices. They provide the sandbox and we are allowed to play in it any way we choose with a small set of rules. CCP didn't elect Mittens into office, the players did. His job is to address technical game related issues that are raised by his constituents that voted for him and present them to CCP for consideration. His duties end there. Period. You were socially engineered. Unfortunately your idiocy isn't something that the Dev's can fix.

To demand that CSM members (whom's duties consist of things done outside of game, such as technical advisement) act by your criterion of moral standards while they are in-game and in-character is laughable and severely naive. Your tears, however, are delicious.

BTW - If you get another Nyx, I'll buy it from you for 40bil. I happen to know a very good broker service we can use.



You still don't get it. he abused me using his position. I do not whine or cry about the isk. isk is not a problem. I fell for it cos I tohught CSM actually means something. My bad.

It does mean something. It means "Council of Stellar Management," and the duties of that democratically elected body include talking to CCP and providing them a player's perspective on issues when asked for feedback, and serving as a liaison between CCP and the player base to ease communication. It also includes maintaining the secrecy of a Non-Disclosure Agreement, which was mentioned by a GM who responded to you. If you are imagining some other duties of the CSM, then that is your fault and not The Mittani's fault or CCP's fault or anyone else's fault but your own. Beyond being nominally a constituent of The Mittani and the other members of the CSM, you have no special relationship with the membership of that panel and you are afforded no particular exemptions or protections against player activity in EVE Online as a consequence of their positions as members of the CSM. That you believe otherwise is, again, entirely your own delusion. No wrong has been committed here, except the specific wrong of [A Player] scamming [Another Player], if we are to even believe that is what has legitimately happened—and to be perfectly honest, that is not a foregone conclusion given how much hate mail is directed at politicians in general, people in leadership positions in EVE Online more specifically, and at Goonswarm and The Mittani in particular. It is entirely possible that you made up this entire episode; but, even if you did not, then the picture you paint is one of things going exactly as they are intended to go: players in EVE Online played the game, and that is all. The End.




So I was right. CSM means NOTHING


How old are you? What country do you hail from?
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd
#253 - 2011-11-10 17:24:36 UTC
Konno Yoshiho wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:

Dear CCP,

Those evil Goonies said they would only stick the tip in. But they lied and went balls deep. Now my ***** hurts. My ***** hurts bad. Please, please make my ***** feel better.

P.S. I was also promised a cuddle and breakfast. All I got was a pat on the head and a Pop-Tart. This injustice will not stand!

Love Admiral Thrawn.





+1
I loled so hard I cried.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2011-11-10 17:24:49 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Is it normal? Yes.

Should he be allowed to use his position as CSM head to imply a sort of legitimacy and aid in his scams? No. Not only is it lazy and effortless, it gives him an edge over other scammers.


Where did he do that?
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2011-11-10 17:25:07 UTC
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oh and mittani has the combined income of 76 tek moons so he really only does it for hilarious **** like this

GJ op you gave 20b isk to someone who doesnt give a **** about you
smooth move
Cobalt Valkyrie
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#256 - 2011-11-10 17:33:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Of course. He wouldn't be much of a player representative if he didn't, now would he?


QFT
Eladaris
Indefinite.
#257 - 2011-11-10 17:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Eladaris
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
CCP, this guy made an abuse using his CSM Chairman position to scam me. I dunno if it breaks EULA or so. But that's what he did.


Please please please, never stop posting! And if you put up a blog post about this let us know so we can madly F5 it as well!


AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Anyway, Goon reputation = scam. My bad I thought a CSM chairman is not like that. Spend it wisely cos I hope I will be the last one being scammed by scumbags like you.


Fairly certain something like this happened a few weeks ago, so based on folks like you... I'd guess we've got another 15'ish days for another post like this.
Eladaris
Indefinite.
#258 - 2011-11-10 17:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Eladaris
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Otherwise, as I stated : there are always mercenaries to hire, there are always people who hate goons...Sooner or later you will go down. Not for 20 bil, it's not about isk, it's just because I hate scammers.


So, not only do you lose 20B by falling for the scam, you'll now lose even more to try and get back. Should we expect another thead like this titled "mercenaries stole 5B from me and didn't kill Mittani or that other guy like I asked"?




I think the mercenaries will do what they're asked for, otherwise they wouldn't build the reputation as good mercenaries...I don't care about Mittani as a person...he proves that he is just a small crook...a goon leader to set such a scam is a tiny little sad fecktard. That's all.
I will follow my principles : Who fucks with me better be ready for a long ****...Cos I wanna **** his brains out ^^


Lemme see if I get this right. You couldn't do five seconds of research on good olde mittens to see if he was trustworthy before handing over 20b... but you'll suddenly do research before handing over a merc. contract fee? Well, hopefully you learned your lesson the first time. Otherwise your next forum thread will be even more enjoyable.
Konno Yoshiho
Perkone
Caldari State
#259 - 2011-11-10 17:53:18 UTC
Eladaris wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
AdmiraI Thrawn wrote:
Otherwise, as I stated : there are always mercenaries to hire, there are always people who hate goons...Sooner or later you will go down. Not for 20 bil, it's not about isk, it's just because I hate scammers.


So, not only do you lose 20B by falling for the scam, you'll now lose even more to try and get back. Should we expect another thead like this titled "mercenaries stole 5B from me and didn't kill Mittani or that other guy like I asked"?




I think the mercenaries will do what they're asked for, otherwise they wouldn't build the reputation as good mercenaries...I don't care about Mittani as a person...he proves that he is just a small crook...a goon leader to set such a scam is a tiny little sad fecktard. That's all.
I will follow my principles : Who fucks with me better be ready for a long ****...Cos I wanna **** his brains out ^^


Lemme see if I get this right. You couldn't do five seconds of research on good olde mittens to see if he was trustworthy before handing over 20b... but you'll suddenly do research before handing over a merc. contract fee? Well, hopefully you learned your lesson the first time. Otherwise your next forum thread will be even more enjoyable.


Exactly what portion of this weeping vagina's posts lead you to believe that he has any capacity for learning?
Eladaris
Indefinite.
#260 - 2011-11-10 17:55:11 UTC
Konno Yoshiho wrote:
Exactly what portion of this weeping vagina's posts lead you to believe that he has any capacity for learning?


None, I just wanted to point it out so I could say I told ya so when he hires some GSF alts as mercs, and they pod kill 'em.