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So...what happens to EVE if/when TEST lose and the CFC claim all Fountain goldmines for themselves?

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-07-29 10:31:52 UTC
And so the Sith shall rule the galaxy forever.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#62 - 2013-07-29 10:44:15 UTC
The goon fleet deployed last night was about 5% of the server population.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-07-29 11:03:06 UTC
dexington wrote:
There will be much whining on many forums about eve being unfair, and everything from titan to moon mining should be nerfed.


Well, with prolonged wars that essentially staged fights (or better described as canned hunts -- are they hurting any in this war? Considering they can do this endlessly because they teched up anyway), who'd even care?

Only the big fleets care about that stuff, the rest of the gamers play for their own reasons.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Aeana K
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-07-29 11:31:31 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I love it when people say the CFC rule will end one day.. Why Should it?



Just because someday, the extreme power becomes a tyranny. And EVE is not real world, but players are.

The only power that governs, real world and eve, is the power of change.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-07-29 11:39:25 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I love it when people say the CFC rule will end one day.. Why Should it?


Change in leadership, no king rules forever, without good leadership the CFC and/or Goonswarm might be fall like other great alliances before them.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Calisto Thellere
#66 - 2013-07-29 11:44:47 UTC
My guess is this ~

All the high sec people who complain 24/7 about null sec players and how what is happening has no bearing on their game.

He's the truth though.
Null sec activity dictates high sec, you recall all the outrage over OTEC when the CFC brought it in, where the supply was bottlenecked on purpose to quadruple the price, well thats going to happen again now they took Fountain, only its not going to be Tech, its going to be 2 Buffed R64's.

This will no doubt lead on to many "how dare they change my game play ect" threads, but believe me, TEST holding them back was the last chance to stop them being the most influential coalition in this game. If TEST had held them up, or even pushed them back, the picture we see today would have been reversed imo and CFC days would be numbered.

But meh, tin foil right.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#67 - 2013-07-29 11:45:10 UTC
T2 Bpo prices will go up again

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-07-29 11:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Prince Kobol wrote:
I love it when people say the CFC rule will end one day.. Why Should it?

The is Eve, not the real world.

CFC has the most pilots, the most isk, the largest out of game resource (websites, comms, tools) they are by far the best at the meta game.

They have PL in their pockets, N3 and BL are zero threat to CFC (who cares if they kill the odd titan here and there, it has no effect on there isk earning or sov) the Russians are no threat due to the infighting and the fact that METCAP is a old drinking buddy of Kittens.

When the CFC sense a threat they either eliminate quickly it or make a deal and slowly destroy it from within.

This war was the only time were CFC were vulnerable but CFC played a blinder by buying of BL and then, well lets call it luck :), N3 lost there Sov and had to redeploy.

As of right now there is nobody who can even come close to the CFC in any measurement you wish to use.

Congratulations to the CFC and I look forward to you taking over all of null sec as that would be a sight to behold and be very interesting to see what CCP does :)


Propaganda. Bah!

dexington wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I love it when people say the CFC rule will end one day.. Why Should it?


Change in leadership, no king rules forever, without good leadership the CFC and/or Goonswarm might be fall like other great alliances before them.


That is an honest statement. Poor leadership will bring ruination to even the greatest empires. Ask the Romans, the Ancient Greeks, the Persian Empire, etc. They all rose to astounding greatness, but in the latter years of their histories, greed, corruption, and other stuff, brought them to their knees. They were replaced by a vibrant, energetic, and well lead emerging power, which later fell due to the same symptoms that fell their predecessors.

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-07-29 11:52:29 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
IThis war was the only time were CFC were vulnerable but CFC played a blinder by buying of BL and then, well lets call it luck :), N3 lost there Sov and had to redeploy.


This is pretty much it. Test was never the deciding factor, it would have lost Fountain sooner or later, the only question was who the new overlords would be. Chance event would have it that N3 was taken out of equation, leaving CFC as the sole contenders.

My prediction for the following year: the war will continue. But, you say, the Fountain War is practically won by CFC? It is. However, the events also severely disturbed the balance of power in the west. Test is practically bankrupt, with only Delve left in their possession and its leadership fragmenting. It is almost assured that someone will invade the area and try to evict its current holders (though likely not CFC, given their stated goal was Fountain moons, a strategic objective that they will have achieved). This places Tribe in potential danger as well, depending on who this invader is to be. Whatever the case, Test has a lot of pilots that are either about to live in a house of cards or seek new, greener pasteures. Much like BoB's fall, this is likely to cause major instabilities throughout null sec in the near future. We're in for some interesting times, imo.

Malcanis wrote:
The goon fleet deployed last night was about 5% of the server population.


Consolidated 5%. No other force in game is capable of fielding those numbers under a single unified banner. However, what the war did show is that a much smaller, well trained team and chance events are just as important as raw numbers.

Aeana K wrote:
Just because someday, the extreme power becomes a tyranny. And EVE is not real world, but players are.

The only power that governs, real world and eve, is the power of change.


The only power that governs is simple isk, which is exactly what the Fountain War was about, exactly why BL switched sides and exactly why N3 had to redeploy east and exactly why Test eventually folded. You want to weaken Mittens? Weaken his power base, his money generation. As long as there's no force out there that can do that, Goons will remain strong.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-07-29 12:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
IThis war was the only time were CFC were vulnerable but CFC played a blinder by buying of BL and then, well lets call it luck :), N3 lost there Sov and had to redeploy.
It is almost assured that someone will invade the area and try to evict its current holders (though likely not CFC, given their stated goal was Fountain moons, a strategic objective that they will have achieved).


Publicly stated goal, but after consolidation, they may have a privately held goal to finish off their foe, once and for all. Why leave an enemy that can become an irritant? Why not just remove that enemy, and completely destroy them? I don't believe CFC is done.

Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Aeana K wrote:
Just because someday, the extreme power becomes a tyranny. And EVE is not real world, but players are.

The only power that governs, real world and eve, is the power of change.


The only power that governs is simple isk, which is exactly what the Fountain War was about, exactly why BL switched sides and exactly why N3 had to redeploy east and exactly why Test eventually folded. You want to weaken Mittens? Weaken his power base, his money generation. As long as there's no force out there that can do that, Goons will remain strong.


The forces that can probably weaken them ARE out there. They are time, mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle, decay, etc. They're the same things that take down any great empire.

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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-07-29 12:32:20 UTC
A Blob won? You don't say......
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2013-07-29 12:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Manfred Hideous
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
I don't really care

but it only further supports a common sense mechanic of no static anything ever. A moon should eventually "run out" and respawn elsewhere.

Not somewhere in the region, anywhere in .4 or lower

... to be "newly discovered" by an enterprising pilot rocking his moon scanner.



I hope you're wearing flame retardant clothing. :)

(I agree with the respawning idea)


... Or make moon mining an active resource gathering project. A new strip miner that only works on untowered moons would be fun (for non miners).
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-07-29 12:35:48 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
A Blob won? You don't say......


but the bigger blob lost...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-07-29 12:38:04 UTC
Well, I've never seen 1,000 megathrons on grid at the same time. That alone was worth staying up for. I honestly can't imagine who is going to beat the CFC blob.
Prince Kobol
#75 - 2013-07-29 12:40:35 UTC
What a lot people are forgetting is where goons come from.

They are not a collection of random people, they are come from the same place.. SA Forums.

When was the last time a member of Goonswarm committed a awoxing or stole a large amount of assets?

Since Goonswarms creation when was the last time they had a leader who they turned against?

Its all well and good saying a change of leadership might lead to there ruin but they are being lead by somebody who freely admits he rarely logs into Eve.

The way the Goons + CFC have setup there leadership structure is that they are not reliant one person but many.

Also things such as mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle do not effect the goons, it never has I doubt it ever will.

As I have said before, the situation we find ourselves in now and with the real possibility of the CFC controlling most if not all null sec in the coming 12 months is purely down to CCP.

We all know the faults with the current Sov System and Moon Goo and yet they have done nothing.

Oh yeah, before Malcanis mentions the change to Tech, as I responded to him in another thread which he didn't answer, the change from tech to R64 changes nothing.

The CFC will still earn the same amount if not more isk then before the change.

What needs to change is the whole concept of Moon Mining as well as the Sov mechanics.

Oh yeah, this is not a rant against the CFC, they were just the ones who got there first and they are the ones who are were the most organised and committed.

Fact is CCP screwed up on a massive scale in regards to Sov and Moon Goo, and so far I see no action on them to fix the many things which most of null sec including the CFC, have been screaming for change for years now.
stoicfaux
#76 - 2013-07-29 12:41:17 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
dexington wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I love it when people say the CFC rule will end one day.. Why Should it?


Change in leadership, no king rules forever, without good leadership the CFC and/or Goonswarm might be fall like other great alliances before them.

But what if you replace the monarch with a corporation in your analogy? Meaning, if CFC/Goonswarm is run like a corporation, it should potentially have a longer lifespan than a monarchy (i.e. a monarch is a single point of failure, whereas a corporation doesn't have all of its eggs in one basket in terms of leadership.)

OTOH, given the short lifespan of the game versus a human lifespan, a single "monarch" could conceivably hold CFC/Goonswarm together for the lifespan of Eve.


edit: Heh, looks like Prince Kobol and I think alike but I post a minute slower.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-07-29 12:42:19 UTC
dexington wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
A Blob won? You don't say......


but the bigger blob lost...



From the sound of a few posts up that there was 5% of people from the whole server that were CFC. Seems quite large to me..
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-07-29 12:44:59 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
What a lot people are forgetting is where goons come from.

They are not a collection of random people, they are come from the same place.. SA Forums.

When was the last time a member of Goonswarm committed a awoxing or stole a large amount of assets?

Since Goonswarms creation when was the last time they had a leader who they turned against?

Its all well and good saying a change of leadership might lead to there ruin but they are being lead by somebody who freely admits he rarely logs into Eve.

The way the Goons + CFC have setup there leadership structure is that they are not reliant one person but many.

Also things such as mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle do not effect the goons, it never has I doubt it ever will.

As I have said before, the situation we find ourselves in now and with the real possibility of the CFC controlling most if not all null sec in the coming 12 months is purely down to CCP.

We all know the faults with the current Sov System and Moon Goo and yet they have done nothing.

Oh yeah, before Malcanis mentions the change to Tech, as I responded to him in another thread which he didn't answer, the change from tech to R64 changes nothing.

The CFC will still earn the same amount if not more isk then before the change.

What needs to change is the whole concept of Moon Mining as well as the Sov mechanics.

Oh yeah, this is not a rant against the CFC, they were just the ones who got there first and they are the ones who are were the most organised and committed.

Fact is CCP screwed up on a massive scale in regards to Sov and Moon Goo, and so far I see no action on them to fix the many things which most of null sec including the CFC, have been screaming for change for years now.


Their **** that awesome to be riding this much and this long for? You really don't think Goons haven't awoxed someone or did something dirty that you don't know about? Give me a break.. and I thought I was naive to certain bullshit.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-07-29 12:48:46 UTC
dexington wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
A Blob won? You don't say......


but the bigger blob lost...


I don't think so. I was watching local counts. CFC had 500-800 more players than TEST had at their staging point.
Prince Kobol
#80 - 2013-07-29 12:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Tron 3K wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
What a lot people are forgetting is where goons come from.

They are not a collection of random people, they are come from the same place.. SA Forums.

When was the last time a member of Goonswarm committed a awoxing or stole a large amount of assets?

Since Goonswarms creation when was the last time they had a leader who they turned against?

Its all well and good saying a change of leadership might lead to there ruin but they are being lead by somebody who freely admits he rarely logs into Eve.

The way the Goons + CFC have setup there leadership structure is that they are not reliant one person but many.

Also things such as mismanagement, corruption, in-fighting, power struggle do not effect the goons, it never has I doubt it ever will.

As I have said before, the situation we find ourselves in now and with the real possibility of the CFC controlling most if not all null sec in the coming 12 months is purely down to CCP.

We all know the faults with the current Sov System and Moon Goo and yet they have done nothing.

Oh yeah, before Malcanis mentions the change to Tech, as I responded to him in another thread which he didn't answer, the change from tech to R64 changes nothing.

The CFC will still earn the same amount if not more isk then before the change.

What needs to change is the whole concept of Moon Mining as well as the Sov mechanics.

Oh yeah, this is not a rant against the CFC, they were just the ones who got there first and they are the ones who are were the most organised and committed.

Fact is CCP screwed up on a massive scale in regards to Sov and Moon Goo, and so far I see no action on them to fix the many things which most of null sec including the CFC, have been screaming for change for years now.


Their **** that awesome to be riding this much and this long for? You really don't think Goons haven't awoxed someone or did something dirty that you don't know about? Give me a break.. and I thought I was naive to certain bullshit.


That kind of the point thou.

I asked the question yet you couldn't provide any answer other then to call me naive.

Whether or not it has happened isn't really the point. The fact that if it has happened, it has never been made public knowledge which shows how well run the CFC is.

You can call me what ever names you wish to, but you still haven't given any examples to back up your blustering