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Moving up to C5 WH advice

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notanother forumalt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-28 16:58:59 UTC  |  Edited by: notanother forumalt
Sorry about the alt but i want to post some info id rather have not public knowledge Roll

I need some advice on this.

Where we are at now (class 2 with static 3) i think we are out growing quite quickly. We have been running the static quite a bit the past few days and been using RR domis.. each class 3 site takes about 4-5 minutes... so even if theirs a ton of sites we are clearing them out in an hour and a half or so. It might sound good but then split up between 3-6 people the distribution isn't that much...

I was thinking of possibly looking at either a c5 / c5, or a c5 / c4. I just have a few questions.

How popular are C5 / C5's ? If we have just a normal one no effects would there be a big chance of getting evicted? We are a small sized corp with rougly 7ish people active most nights, most of us have alts also. Some of us have PvP experience, but the majority dont and not sure how we would be able to defend the WH against a larger corp / alliance...

I was also thinking about possibly c5 / c4, c5 for when we have most members on, c4's when there is not as many people on.

Class 5's will have random K space openings every once in a while correct? C5 seems more appealing for that fact, can bring caps in without building them in there, and if you get a hi sec opening you can bring a freighter filled with fuel to last awhile.


Ship requirements ?

a few of us all can fly RR tengus, but after flying a sentry domi RR tengus are laughable. For the other members, is there a battleship setup that can work a C5 and C4's? Obviously we would need RR.. but would 5-7 RR sentry domis be able to handle class 5's and 4's, or would it be more advisable using guardians with say rail megas? What would you recommend for how many logi, will 2 guardians suffice? Once we started earning more isk i would bring in dreads and lokis for the c5 escalations.

Appreciate any feedback
Yoshmoto
BLOPSEC
#2 - 2013-07-28 22:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoshmoto
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How popular are C5 / C5's ? If we have just a normal one no effects would there be a big chance of getting evicted? We are a small sized corp with rougly 7ish people active most nights, most of us have alts also. Some of us have PvP experience, but the majority dont and not sure how we would be able to defend the WH against a larger corp / alliance...


There are around 232 C5 > C5's and 87 C5 > C4's

If you want to run sites in the C5 you will want to have Capitals to run sites with. Archon, Dreadnaughts, Loki

You will probably be best with a C5 > C4 as you can run your Tengu ops in the static C4 and when you are ready run home sites with capitals in the C5.

Defence... Capitals and a POS with plenty of stront. People probably wont evict you for a C5 static C4.

Choose your Wormhole effect wisely. You dont want a Black hole... If your shield go for a Pulsar, Armor Wolf Rayet etc...

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I was also thinking about possibly c5 / c4, c5 for when we have most members on, c4's when there is not as many people on.

Class 5's will have random K space openings every once in a while correct? C5 seems more appealing for that fact, can bring caps in without building them in there, and if you get a hi sec opening you can bring a freighter filled with fuel to last awhile.


You will get random HS K162's more Low Secs and even more Null sec's. You will have plenty for bringing in caps over a month.

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Ship requirements ?

a few of us all can fly RR tengus, but after flying a sentry domi RR tengus are laughable. For the other members, is there a battleship setup that can work a C5 and C4's? Obviously we would need RR.. but would 5-7 RR sentry domis be able to handle class 5's and 4's, or would it be more advisable using guardians with say rail megas? What would you recommend for how many logi, will 2 guardians suffice? Once we started earning more isk i would bring in dreads and lokis for the c5 escalations.


PvP wise ? The only Battleship I would use in WH space is a Bhall. The others will get blapped in seconds. You want guardians for logi and a T3 fleet.

Run the sites with caps and escalate. Good starter guide. http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/c5-6-site-running-like-a-baws/

No idea on running sites with battleships. Never done it.


See you in W-Space and I hope we have the opportunity to drop you :) Good luck.



Appreciate any feedback[/quote]
RectumRanger
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-28 22:27:25 UTC
Yoshmoto wrote:
notanother forumalt wrote:
Sorry about the alt but i want to post some info id rather have not public knowledge Roll


Quote:
How popular are C5 / C5's ? If we have just a normal one no effects would there be a big chance of getting evicted? We are a small sized corp with rougly 7ish people active most nights, most of us have alts also. Some of us have PvP experience, but the majority dont and not sure how we would be able to defend the WH against a larger corp / alliance...


There are around 232 C5 > C5's and 87 C5 > C4's

If you want to run sites in the C5 you will want to have Capitals to run sites with. Archon, Dreadnaughts, Loki

You will probably be best with a C5 > C4 as you can run your Tengu ops in the static C4 and when you are ready run home sites with capitals in the C5.

Defence... Capitals and a POS with plenty of stront. People probably wont evict you for a C5 static C4.

Choose your Wormhole effect wisely. You dont want a Black hole... If your shield go for a Pulsar, Armor Wolf Rayet etc...

Quote:
I was also thinking about possibly c5 / c4, c5 for when we have most members on, c4's when there is not as many people on.


Class 5's will have random K space openings every once in a while correct? C5 seems more appealing for that fact, can bring caps in without building them in there, and if you get a hi sec opening you can bring a freighter filled with fuel to last awhile.

You will get random HS K162's more Low Secs and even more Null sec's. You will have plenty for bringing in caps over a month.

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Ship requirements ?

a few of us all can fly RR tengus, but after flying a sentry domi RR tengus are laughable. For the other members, is there a battleship setup that can work a C5 and C4's? Obviously we would need RR.. but would 5-7 RR sentry domis be able to handle class 5's and 4's, or would it be more advisable using guardians with say rail megas? What would you recommend for how many logi, will 2 guardians suffice? Once we started earning more isk i would bring in dreads and lokis for the c5 escalations.


PvP wise ? The only Battleship I would use in WH space is a Bhall. The others will get blapped in seconds. You want guardians for logi and a T3 fleet.

Run the sites with caps and escalate. Good starter guide. http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/c5-6-site-running-like-a-baws/

No idea on running sites with battleships. Never done it.


See you in W-Space and I hope we have the opportunity to drop you :) Good luck.



Appreciate any feedback


Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-07-28 22:28:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Chitsa Jason
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How popular are C5 / C5's ? If we have just a normal one no effects would there be a big chance of getting evicted? We are a small sized corp with rougly 7ish people active most nights, most of us have alts also. Some of us have PvP experience, but the majority dont and not sure how we would be able to defend the WH against a larger corp / alliance...


I would say about 40% of C5s are inhabited by some sorts of corp. If you are worried about eviction make eviction as hard as possible. I.E. put neuts on your POSes with other assorted stuff. Evictions are not as often as they seem to be and usually there is a reason for them (revenge, pvp opportunity, too many caps hanging out). If you minimise those opportunities then barely anyone will want to bash your POS.

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Class 5's will have random K space openings every once in a while correct? C5 seems more appealing for that fact, can bring caps in without building them in there, and if you get a hi sec opening you can bring a freighter filled with fuel to last awhile.


Class 5 will indeed sometimes have an opening to kspace. Those will be rare in your home system so you will have to scan down the chain. Your high sec access will usually look like this HomeSystem->C5s->C2->HighSec

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Ship requirements ?

a few of us all can fly RR tengus, but after flying a sentry domi RR tengus are laughable. For the other members, is there a battleship setup that can work a C5 and C4's? Obviously we would need RR.. but would 5-7 RR sentry domis be able to handle class 5's and 4's, or would it be more advisable using guardians with say rail megas? What would you recommend for how many logi, will 2 guardians suffice? Once we started earning more isk i would bring in dreads and lokis for the c5 escalations.


It takes 5-6 well fitted RR Tengus to run C5 sites "efficiently". The issue with tengus is that the DPS they output is complete crap. Currently best battleship setup is RR Domies. You can do C5 sites with 4 RR Domies and 1 ECM Scorp or 5 RR domies. I would say in your case I would choose C5 Cataclysmic Variable with C5 or C4 static. If you expect your corp to grow definitely go for C5 static.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#5 - 2013-07-29 11:15:40 UTC
c5-c4 seems right for you. Terribly lonely and boring for anything except bearing, but that is what you want to do, it appears. I currently have a little bearing outpost in such a c5-4 as well.

Even if you don't run cap escalations (which are not nearly as great as people make you think; unless you run them with a small and focused team, they tend to have worse ISK/hour than many solo ratting methods), the c5 is good for the top-notch gas and relic sites. Do those at home and otherwise farm the c4s with your RR Domis.

Because the c5-c4 is so secluded and boring, most people who roll into your hole will instantly close the connection again and roll for something more useful, which means you'll have fewer open connections.

As for defense, put enough up to deter casual harassers; a few ECMs, small guns and a warp disruptor and web is enough to keep small gangs away. Don't bother with deathstars or lots of caps, if any pvp group wants your system they will get it anyway.

If you pick a Black Hole c5, no one will evict you even if you beg them to do it Smile Also there's tons of empty ones around.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#6 - 2013-07-29 11:19:18 UTC
C5 > C4 will make it harder for you to move caps out of the wormhole.

Another option for you, if you do _not_ want to use capitals to do c5's is to move to a c4 > C5.

That way you can farm the c5 with whatever non-capital setup and a c4 is far safer than a c5 to live in.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#7 - 2013-07-29 20:02:14 UTC
We evicted some bears and took over a C5/C3. It allows a healthy variety of sub-cap and capital pilots who can all make good money and be valued as long as they meet our relatively low minimum skill requirements (battlecruiser with tech2 tank, covops, and either a wormhole background or time spent training with our rookie corp), and round-the-clock PvP pew or PvE sites via the C3 static. Lots of daily pew, frequent hisec exits, frequent nullsec inbound holes to move Dreads, go ratting, or roam, plenty of high-value gas and ore, and steady income from multiple potential revenue streams to keep in ships and mods.

A C5/C3 has the disadvantage of a low-mass static holding a system that is very difficult to solo, but lots of advantages for corps that value and reward sub-cap protection for capital escalation fleets.

I'm digging the C5 life. Good income, good fights, good Bob it's awesome!