Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi guys!

Recently I started to meddle with the idea of doing some pvp. I browsed through the ships to choose one class I would like to fly. I happened to like stealth bombers, but immediately recognized the weaknesses the ship has. while it is great that it can have a bomb launcher, but it is banned from empire space, so essentially the ship loses a big chunk of damage. That actually does not bother me, but there is one slot where you cannot put anything useful except smartbombs.
The other problem I have with the ship, is the very limited number of slots. don't get me wrong, you can put on an effective fit, but in some ways it will lack. When I look on the S.Bomberss and the assault ships, It pokes my eyes, that while an A.Ship allows a quite relaxed fit, S.Bombers offers no such thing, meaning you have to try real hard and have a lot of cash and skill point to put on a fit like this:
[url]http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60485-Manticore-Fighter.html[/url]

So an extra mid or low slot would be nice and some Powergrid buff to be able to have an optimal fit, and an extra launcher would help quite a bit to fill the void if you cannot fit a bomb launcher. I would't mind at all if 25% of the max damage bonus would be taken away in return of an extra launcher. I would add that instead of the flight time bonus the ship has, you should be buffing torp velocity bonus even more. I would change the expl velocity bonus of the ship, to expl radius, but that's because I personally favor precision to smaller targets than precision against speed. T2 damage torps have quite big expl radius, and it is impossible to hit any target effectively which is smaller than a bs with rage T2 ammo.

I believe the tweaks I'm suggesting are not unreasonable at all, since all of the missile ships has huge missile speed boosts, precision bonuses and an extra slot. And quite frankly this ship needs these as much as the next ship in line

Hook up with bombers bar if you want too see how a bombless stealth bomber can work out in empire space. also no too whatever you said in that wall of text, couldn't bother myself too read it

stealth bombers trade off speed, tank, agility for a high level of dps unmatched by any other frigate class, and the ability to warp cloaked. So i find stealth bombers and covert ops ships in general to be quite balanced due to all the draw backs they have.

Adding a low slot doesn't sound like a "tweak" to me, it's just an huge buff, I think overpowered.
SB seems very well-balanced to me as they're now.

Yes, the racial damage bonus could be a bit limiting, but on the other side cross training requirement are so cheap, it's only the racial frigates. And anyway having a more generic damage bonus should come with a reduction of the overall percentrage. I think is fine as it is now.

Also that fit is truilly terrible. The bomber that needs a faction tank is doing something wrong (not fitting enough ewar for a start).

Stealth Bombers perform their designated tasks very well already.

Just because there's are slots left over depending on what fit you're flying doesn't mean you HAVE to put something there. In HighSec/LowSec no bomb launcher doesn't mean put a smart bomb on. If you're within smartbomb range (small at that) in a stealth bomber something has either gone very badly wrong or it's about to.

Design your fit for a purpose. If that means empty slots, fantastic. Less CPU/PG used (and less expensive when it dies).
If you've got spare slots in the mids ewar modules are useful (the longer ranged ones more than the rest generally)
You should never have empty slots in the lows - these should always be fit with either damage mods or agility/nano mods for the GTFO factor.

Bombers excel in groups. Find a group.

I might give the Nemesis a bit more CPU to work with but.. no to OP. -1

This, anything else no.

Edit: gate camps could be easier to break by smaller entities but also change low sec dynamics deeply, maybe reduce dmg or area of effect in this specific SS zone but bombs in low sec I'm definitively all for it.

My argument is the lack of proper customization of the ship. You can make a decent tank but lack speed. you can have proper speed, but lack a decent tank. yes you can have buffer tank, while you fit tp-s, but speed tanking is just a field band aid since you will be tackled or ecm-ed at some point.
Heck Even electronic attack frigates have better tank+speed capabilities than stealth bombers. The argument that it has stealth is just wrong, especially if it the fight is prolonged. After you are targeted, you cannot go back to stealth. you just hope, that you will not be tackled and damaged long enough, to make your partners and you kill every enemy.

Also stacking stealth bombers? Why it is different from stacking bs-s or bc-s? If you stack a stealth fleet for roaming then a black ops fleet recon support is no different from a stealth bomber fleet in terms of damage. Yes, there is the notorius bomb, i agree, but adding a middle or low slot won't change the fact that if they stack bombers present time you will die a horrible death, extra slot or not.

Every refurbished ship got tweaked for one extra slot. But even if the ship does not get one extra, the toughness and speed of the ship surely needs to be increased to give a better fighting chance at least bring it to electronic attack frigates level. I refuse to accept that one class can be used only to one specialized task and have a very narrow fitting line.

One lat thought. now that the cruise missiles was 'balanced' , a BS can hit a frigate effectively, and a cruiser full damage. so can a BC. Typhoon for example has the potential to pop a frig to full damage. So yea. The manticore med range+slow torp mechanic is mediocre at best, and limited to large targets only.

Btw. If someone see things differently, that is not trolling. Thank you for your contribution to my topic so far.

Stealth bombing: you're doing it wrong.