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Cloaking mining ships?
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DSpite Culhach
#1 - 2013-07-27 14:31:31 UTC
This is just a "what if" type question, not a suggestion, etc etc.

If a company that makes mining ships was suffering a lot of losses from "piracy" type activity, they would try and find optimal ways to make their ships harder to attack.

Rather then what CCP did with increasing the tanks, in order to give them time to warp out, would it not have made more sense to give them a utility high and say, remove a mid slot, to mount a cloak into?

There's already a couple of mining ships with multiple highs, does anyone play hide and seek with them already?

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#2 - 2013-07-27 21:02:35 UTC
What does this add? You cant mine and be cloaked.

Plus cloaky ships **** people off so they'd stay in your system longer not shorter. Making a firm move by docking up is a better move then to cloak.
Whitehound
#3 - 2013-07-27 21:27:00 UTC
You are more or less implying that an entire mining fleet should be able to cloak. EVE is however an MMO and CCP will want for pilots to organize themselves and support each other with different ships having different roles etc., and not to have entire fleets where every player only cloaks.

That said, the Venture has got a utility high-slot and can fit a cloak, which makes it the only mining ship to support it.

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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-07-27 21:44:17 UTC
They increased the tanks to make them harder to gank, not give you more time to warp out. If you are pointed, you're pointed all the hitpoints in the world won't let you warp out.

You can't do anything while cloaked but move very slowly, so this would not help.

Please get a better understanding of the mechanics before you throw out what ifs.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-07-27 22:16:37 UTC
T2 Recon Exhumer FTW

Yes it'll never happen but it would be lots of fun!
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-27 22:27:42 UTC
You could do it if you were regularly mining in hostile space

but then one would ask the question: would you make more money mining less valuable minerals in regular space or in hostile space where you are disrupted so much?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-07-27 22:45:54 UTC
i vote for a mining subsystem on T3 cruisers.

done.

a gang boosting, probing, covops cloaky, interdiction nullified T3 that has a mining/cargo bonused Engineering subsystem.

u mad?

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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-27 23:25:34 UTC
Cloaking mining ships? Great idea.
[Venture, Cloaky]
Mining Laser Upgrade II

1MN Afterburner II
Small Shield Booster II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Miner II
Miner II
Improved Cloaking Device II

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

[Covetor, Stealthy Ice]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

^- Needs a 1% grid implant though. :-/

[Hulk, Hulk HIDE!]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
DSpite Culhach
#9 - 2013-07-28 01:27:01 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
They increased the tanks to make them harder to gank, not give you more time to warp out. If you are pointed, you're pointed all the hitpoints in the world won't let you warp out.

You can't do anything while cloaked but move very slowly, so this would not help.

Please get a better understanding of the mechanics before you throw out what ifs.


My understanding of the mechanics are enough to understand that someone can be mining 10km plus off anything stopping a cloak from working, and when a known hostile enter local, can go invisible, instead of having to fly off, dock up and fly back. Especially in systems with no stations or few exits. I'm not just talking about hisec.

If your simply waiting for someone to leave a system before you resume mining, avoiding all the flight time to-from stations would seem more optimal. You uncloak and continue.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-07-28 08:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
This is THE wrong way to fit BlOps so never do it. Just for lulz:

[Redeemer, Cloaky Miner]

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Covert Jump Portal Generator I
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Whitehound
#11 - 2013-07-28 10:37:34 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
This is THE wrong way to fit BlOps so never do it. Just for lulz:

[Redeemer, Cloaky Miner]
...

Now all it needs is a covert exhumer for covert hot drop mining action.

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Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-29 00:02:16 UTC
you'd see blops bridges beaming miners out of hs

and you know, some much-needed blops hs relevance outside of jita undock

i think miners deserve this, and not only would they enjoy the isk sink, they would embrace the risk for the tradeoff of getting to use 1337 toys--and more SP sinks added to an otherwise stagnant skill tree.

T3 mining subsystem. it's only fair. (and i thought it was supposed to be a generalist ship class)

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-07-29 08:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Feanira Darr wrote:
you'd see blops bridges beaming miners out of hs


Miners jump from hisec to low/null -> no more targets for "pvpers" -> hisec "pvpers" rage/whine -> a lot of tears.

Feanira Darr wrote:
T3 mining subsystem. it's only fair. (and i thought it was supposed to be a generalist ship class)


Or just add mining related stuff to Covert subs. Then you could use that BlOps bridge, mine and if you had to move around you already have that nullifier.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-07-29 23:27:40 UTC