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Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-07-28 10:10:16 UTC
How much longer do we have to pretend like your opinion matters at all to anyone? I'd love for us to have real EVE discussions like bitching about how avatars would like if we could actually walk them around and outside of the CQ. Maybe then this situation could be remotely fart worthy of mention.
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#82 - 2013-07-28 11:22:05 UTC
The Eve character creator does not really allow you to create a completely flat character. This character was designed to be petite with almost all the sliders set to the minimum. Although I do not think I would go much lower with breast, hip or rear size it is interesting that it isn't even an option.

I also almost have her in one of the Sterling shirts, but currently have the Avenue on to show off the new sleeve.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-07-28 11:25:43 UTC
Wait till Femen find out that we female avatars can't remove our tops ... there will be hell to pay in Iceland and an invasion of half naked Russian chicks ... oh the horror .. Shocked
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Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#84 - 2013-07-28 12:41:14 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Wait till Femen find out that we female avatars can't remove our tops ... there will be hell to pay in Iceland and an invasion of half naked Russian chicks ... oh the horror .. Shocked


Big smile Recently I saw an interview on RT with one of these Femen. They really live in their own world.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2013-07-28 12:48:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
ITT: Women saying their version of beauty is the only correct one. Men's idea of beauty is sexist, women's idea of it is empowerment.


This.

I've always found that any woman who emphatically states that men's standards of female beauty are sexist, inappropriate, etc, typically would not be considered attractive based on those standards.

Have-nots, hating on the haves. A lot of human interaction and motivations can be ascribed to this.


I wonder then if radical feminism isn't actually an inherent hatred of men, but rather ironically, an inherent hatred of other women instead. This line of reasoning would indeed go a long way towards suggesting that, and it's not entirely far fetched. Just think of all the times you've encountered supposed feminists telling other women how they should live their lives in order to be a 'real' feminist, the 'with us or against us' mentality.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#86 - 2013-07-28 13:00:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
ITT: Women saying their version of beauty is the only correct one. Men's idea of beauty is sexist, women's idea of it is empowerment.


This.

I've always found that any woman who emphatically states that men's standards of female beauty are sexist, inappropriate, etc, typically would not be considered attractive based on those standards.

Have-nots, hating on the haves. A lot of human interaction and motivations can be ascribed to this.


I wonder then if radical feminism isn't actually an inherent hatred of men, but rather ironically, an inherent hatred of other women instead. This line of reasoning would indeed go a long way towards suggesting that, and it's not entirely far fetched. Just think of all the times you've encountered supposed feminists telling other women how they should live their lives in order to be a 'real' feminist, the 'with us or against us' mentality.


Oh, you have no idea...

I can't keep count of how many other women have attempted to tell my wife that she isn't really happy being a housewife and a stay at home mom, and those same women scream and howl about how much they hate working in their very next forum post.

It's actually observable very easily. For instance, the majority of men like long hair on women. However, attempt to observe (or get the conversation secondhand) a group of married women discussing the possibility of one of them cutting her hair. "oh, it would look so cute on you!" and "it would make you look more youthful!", etc, etc. It does no such thing, however, and subconsciously they are aware of this. But in groupthink, lowering someone else's attractiveness is the same thing as improving yours, without even having to do anything.

Also note, that in almost every case, none of them will tell her to ask the one person whose opinion *should* be most important when it comes to her attractiveness. Her husband. Instead, she dresses and behaves in the manner of the consensu of whatever her social group is.

I have seen this in groups of women from figure skaters to book clubs to cheerleaders to business executives. Same thing, every time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-07-28 13:45:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
ITT: Women saying their version of beauty is the only correct one. Men's idea of beauty is sexist, women's idea of it is empowerment.


This.

I've always found that any woman who emphatically states that men's standards of female beauty are sexist, inappropriate, etc, typically would not be considered attractive based on those standards.

Have-nots, hating on the haves. A lot of human interaction and motivations can be ascribed to this.


I wonder then if radical feminism isn't actually an inherent hatred of men, but rather ironically, an inherent hatred of other women instead. This line of reasoning would indeed go a long way towards suggesting that, and it's not entirely far fetched. Just think of all the times you've encountered supposed feminists telling other women how they should live their lives in order to be a 'real' feminist, the 'with us or against us' mentality.


Oh, you have no idea...

I can't keep count of how many other women have attempted to tell my wife that she isn't really happy being a housewife and a stay at home mom, and those same women scream and howl about how much they hate working in their very next forum post.

It's actually observable very easily. For instance, the majority of men like long hair on women. However, attempt to observe (or get the conversation secondhand) a group of married women discussing the possibility of one of them cutting her hair. "oh, it would look so cute on you!" and "it would make you look more youthful!", etc, etc. It does no such thing, however, and subconsciously they are aware of this. But in groupthink, lowering someone else's attractiveness is the same thing as improving yours, without even having to do anything.

Also note, that in almost every case, none of them will tell her to ask the one person whose opinion *should* be most important when it comes to her attractiveness. Her husband. Instead, she dresses and behaves in the manner of the consensu of whatever her social group is.

I have seen this in groups of women from figure skaters to book clubs to cheerleaders to business executives. Same thing, every time.


Er... I think you chose a 'too specific' example. I know plenty of guys that like women with shorter hair. I'm one of 'em. I hate getting a mouthful of it when spooning.

Long or short though, the most important thing about a woman for me is that she is capable of conversation, compassion, honesty (mostly with herself, because being honest with others is a natural follow on), and rationality, she has to know when it's time to have some fun, and she has to know when it's time to stop having fun and start taking things seriously. Maturity is important, but likewise, so is knowing when to be a little immature.

As for a woman's physical appearance.... someone once told me it's like autistic people almost automatically see 'beyond' the surface features of someone and straight to their character. I guess I'm kinda like a dog that way, seeing in greyscale - everyone looks the same to me. But, I do have preferences. I like petite women, I have a thing for glasses, and I like short hair. I think that's about it.

But yeah, I get what you're saying. It's always easier to bring someone else down than it is to pull yourself up, but it's more a matter of perception. How we want to be perceived, and how we perceive others. It's the same for men.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#88 - 2013-07-28 13:45:20 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Oh, you have no idea...

I can't keep count of how many other women have attempted to tell my wife that she isn't really happy being a housewife and a stay at home mom, and those same women scream and howl about how much they hate working in their very next forum post.

It's actually observable very easily. For instance, the majority of men like long hair on women. However, attempt to observe (or get the conversation secondhand) a group of married women discussing the possibility of one of them cutting her hair. "oh, it would look so cute on you!" and "it would make you look more youthful!", etc, etc. It does no such thing, however, and subconsciously they are aware of this. But in groupthink, lowering someone else's attractiveness is the same thing as improving yours, without even having to do anything.

Also note, that in almost every case, none of them will tell her to ask the one person whose opinion *should* be most important when it comes to her attractiveness. Her husband. Instead, she dresses and behaves in the manner of the consensu of whatever her social group is.

I have seen this in groups of women from figure skaters to book clubs to cheerleaders to business executives. Same thing, every time.


In psychology and sociology group behavior of humans is very important. I studied it in some lectures on college. Humans are social beings. They need to fit themselfs into some kind of group. If they do not they become ill. You can also see different group behaviors between men and woman based on the different thinkings of men (rational, logical) and woman (emphatic, emotional). Even the brains are different. The female brain is smaller but more efficient. The male brain is bigger.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2013-07-28 14:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Jessica Onzo wrote:
Biology class in EvE, LOL love it!
Yes you are correct the mother has a XX (female) chromosome. The father provides an XY (male) or XX (female).

The mother provides X, the father provides X or Y. The resulting zygote and subsequent child then has XX chromosomes and is female, or XY chromosomes and is male.

For simplicity's sake this is of course discounting the less common possibilities where the child may have different combinations of sex chromosomes.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#90 - 2013-07-28 14:59:11 UTC
Tein would be nearly or completely flat if only the character creator allowed it.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-07-28 15:35:04 UTC
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,
It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

Now there's a shocker Big smile

Yes, in general, men like slender, half naked chicks with nice boobs.

As for EVE: the char creator pretty much spews out pretty chicks by itself. If you want to create a big ugly hag it requires effort, I don't like effort....
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#92 - 2013-07-28 15:44:16 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,
It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

Now there's a shocker Big smile

Yes, in general, men like slender, half naked chicks with nice boobs.

As for EVE: the char creator pretty much spews out pretty chicks by itself. If you want to create a big ugly hag it requires effort, I don't like effort....


Yeah, I know. I've actually seen people seemingly shocked by the revelation that men like slender women with big breasts.

The truth shouldn't offend anyone. And if it does offend you, then you were clinging to a lie in the first place.

Oh, introspective thought, when will you be back amongst our lives?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#93 - 2013-07-28 16:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yeah, I know. I've actually seen people seemingly shocked by the revelation that men like slender women with big breasts.

The truth shouldn't offend anyone. And if it does offend you, then you were clinging to a lie in the first place.

Oh, introspective thought, when will you be back amongst our lives?


I started wondering if this is a perceived majority or a real one.

Based on the only relevant studies I could easily find:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20169468
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0057623
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-013-0081-5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18089285

It depends on where you draw the line between small/medium/large/xtra, but men generally prefer something closer to medium (certainly not a super-majority in any case).

Large breast size preference also correlates with lower economic status and sexism.

I hope this truth doesn't offend you.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#94 - 2013-07-28 17:15:42 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yeah, I know. I've actually seen people seemingly shocked by the revelation that men like slender women with big breasts.

The truth shouldn't offend anyone. And if it does offend you, then you were clinging to a lie in the first place.

Oh, introspective thought, when will you be back amongst our lives?


I started wondering if this is a perceived majority or a real one.

Based on the only relevant studies I could easily find:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20169468
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0057623
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-013-0081-5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18089285

It depends on where you draw the line between small/medium/large/xtra, but men generally prefer something closer to medium (certainly not a super-majority in any case).

Large breast size preference also correlates with lower economic status and sexism.

I hope this truth doesn't offend you.


Considering that the only one of your cited sources that has a sufficiently large amount to account for a margin of error studied men in Malaysia? Hardly.

But then, I guess the predication that I am talking about Western Civilization was too much to ask for.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#95 - 2013-07-28 17:51:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Considering that the only one of your cited sources that has a sufficiently large amount to account for a margin of error studied men in Malaysia?


That's a very weird and untrue thing to base your obstinance on. I guess it did offend you; apologies.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#96 - 2013-07-28 18:02:30 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Considering that the only one of your cited sources that has a sufficiently large amount to account for a margin of error studied men in Malaysia?


That's a very weird and untrue thing to base your obstinance on. I guess it did offend you; apologies.


I suppose reading your own sources was too much to ask for? Second link from the top, first paragraph, third sentence:

Quote:
In Study 1, 266 men from three sites in Malaysia varying in relative socioeconomic status (high to low) rated a series of animated figures varying in breast size for physical attractiveness.


Are you trying to let me show you up? Or have I managed to get under your skin so badly that you are that desperate to insult me?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#97 - 2013-07-28 18:10:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I suppose reading your own sources was too much to ask for? Second link from the top, first paragraph, third sentence:

Quote:
In Study 1, 266 men from three sites in Malaysia varying in relative socioeconomic status (high to low) rated a series of animated figures varying in breast size for physical attractiveness.


You'll have to help me through your reasoning process. As a scientist, I'm having trouble understanding how one of the studies being conducted in Malaysia makes the others have insignificant sample sizes.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#98 - 2013-07-28 18:18:29 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I suppose reading your own sources was too much to ask for? Second link from the top, first paragraph, third sentence:

Quote:
In Study 1, 266 men from three sites in Malaysia varying in relative socioeconomic status (high to low) rated a series of animated figures varying in breast size for physical attractiveness.


You'll have to help me through your reasoning process. As a scientist, I'm having trouble understanding how one of the studies being conducted in Malaysia makes the others have insignificant sample sizes.


Quote:
But then, I guess the predication that I am talking about Western Civilization was too much to ask for.


You're about as much of a scientist as you are a Martian.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#99 - 2013-07-28 18:23:58 UTC
So your only complaint is that one of the four studies was conducted in Malaysia and the

Quote:
only one of your cited sources that has a sufficiently large amount to account for a margin of error


bit was just posturing? I guess we can throw out the economic correlation if it bothers you that much.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#100 - 2013-07-28 18:28:55 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
So your only complaint is that one of the four studies was conducted in Malaysia and the

Quote:
only one of your cited sources that has a sufficiently large amount to account for a margin of error


bit was just posturing? I guess we can throw out the economic correlation if it bothers you that much.


Oh, how you do try. Your bluster is irrelevant to me. It only serves to amuse me further at how very mad you must be. Which of my offhanded comments was it that offends you so? Hmm?

Oh, and at some point, you may wish to get back on topic, since we are after all talking about female character models and what is/isn't percieved as attractive.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.