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[Odyssey] Module Rebalancing Part One: RSBs and TEs

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1081 - 2013-07-28 03:39:44 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Am I the only true gallente pilot? Forget range, I have dps.

Ian here with you, stasis web > tracking computer!

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1082 - 2013-07-28 05:59:29 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:
why nerf te? cause winmatard was everywhere


I really would disagree with this. Do you have any specific examples of OP minni ships in the last few years?


If anyone has any logs of the eve kill top20, the evidence would be found there.

yup

it was like 12 ship types matar or more
1-2 gall
1-2 amarr
3-4 caldari

but i dont have the logs to prove it :(

in most used weapon there were mostly ac-s and arties

roaming/gate camp gangs usually consisted 90% minmatar
and even in huge fleet there were many

if these are not enough to show it i cant see else to prove anything to the biased ones
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#1083 - 2013-07-28 11:58:01 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
....if these are not enough to show it i cant see else to prove anything to the biased ones

Think that when it was at its worst you had 16 Winmatar hulls on that list, with Zealot being the Amarr representative, Tengu and Drake as Caldari emissaries and Talos waving the tattered Gallente flag.

Was just the one month though and it evened out somewhat as tiericide progressed, but it matters little as CCP has their own metrics that are unfathomable to anyone not dodging geysers when commuting .. I mean they must have for such prolonged dominant fads to even exist. Smile
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#1084 - 2013-07-28 15:10:07 UTC
I feel that it would be a mistake to use eve top kill as a measuring stick to determine if a certain race was OP. Popularity doesn't mean OP. There is a big difference. You need to take into account what nul blocks were using as fleet doctrines at the time ext ext. If you can list for me specific examples as to why the minny ships were 'too good' I would like to hear about it. Because for years now they have been sub par for the most part.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#1085 - 2013-07-28 16:37:17 UTC
Chessur wrote:
I feel that it would be a mistake to use eve top kill as a measuring stick to determine if a certain race was OP. Popularity doesn't mean OP. There is a big difference. You need to take into account what nul blocks were using as fleet doctrines at the time ext ext. If you can list for me specific examples as to why the minny ships were 'too good' I would like to hear about it. Because for years now they have been sub par for the most part.



You should have seen the citations from it in the HML nerf thread. God you'd think it was a sponsored link or something Smile
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#1086 - 2013-07-28 19:15:30 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
Am I the only true gallente pilot? Forget range, I have dps.

Ian here with you, stasis web > tracking computer!

Agreed, definitely agreed.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Rune Scorpio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1087 - 2013-07-30 11:21:30 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Serenety Steel wrote:
If it aint broke, DON'T fix it!


Way to nerf some more stuff, well done ccp..


These are broke, so we're fixing them.


Any plan to fix the mwd cloak exploit so those of us in lowsec can actually catch bc's and haulers on gates? Or was this just a general gatecamp nerf.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1088 - 2013-07-30 14:31:04 UTC
Rune Scorpio wrote:
Any plan to fix the mwd cloak exploit so those of us in lowsec can actually catch bc's and haulers on gates? Or was this just a general gatecamp nerf.



The only fix is needed in your comment is graveyard camping, not smart use of something working as intended.
Graveyard camping should bring more penalties than it does right now, higher SS hit since with tags introduction it's an easy activity far too much rewarding for the risk taken.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1089 - 2013-07-30 19:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Chessur wrote:
I feel that it would be a mistake to use eve top kill as a measuring stick to determine if a certain race was OP. Popularity doesn't mean OP. There is a big difference. You need to take into account what nul blocks were using as fleet doctrines at the time ext ext. If you can list for me specific examples as to why the minny ships were 'too good' I would like to hear about it. Because for years now they have been sub par for the most part.
My experience is limited, but from what I've seen nullblock fights typically don't make to extensive use of short range guns over their long range counterparts, yet AC's still managed to dominate those lists.

Also the hurricane, rifter, SFI, vagabond and others I'm sure I'm forgetting were go to ships in their respective classes for quite a while pre-tiericide.

Rune Scorpio wrote:
Any plan to fix the mwd cloak exploit so those of us in lowsec can actually catch bc's and haulers on gates? Or was this just a general gatecamp nerf.
I wish I could find it, but there was, if I recall correctly, a post by a dev advocating the use of the MWD cloak trick in a thread questioning if anyone in CCP had any experience with missioning in low/null. Doesn't seem like this is counted as an exploit.