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This over all else. Example, I have begun asking that people add to my bounty and writing thank you notes. I am playing by a different set of goals than others might.

The hardware store sells you a hammer, they do not follow you home to make sure it is used only on nails and thumbs.

CCP made the bounty system, it is up to you what you are going to hit with it.

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So...

Some guy kills me in 0.0, why should I not be able to bounty him? There's no crime there, no killrights, no sec loss, nothing.

Some guys pop out of a WH and camp my miner alt into a station. Why should she not be able to bounty them?

An AFK cloaker lurks around my alliance's space, why should I not be able to bounty him?

A bunch of guys in bombers camp a jump bridge. Why should I not be able to bounty them?

Someone from a blue corp posts awful smack in local, why should I not be able to bounty him?

Someone makes terrible, terrible suggestions on the forum, why should I not be able to bounty him?

Reporting that both my goggles, and the bounty system are working as intended.

I propose to help curtail data harvesting via bounty system that CCP raise the price for receiving a detailed kill-mail to 10 million on the part of the per individual bounty poster. A bounty below that amount would still receive a mail but simply saying "so-and-so has been killed and their bounty now is X isk." A bounty over 10 million -- or another amount if any people have ideas what would be a deterrant -- would receive a detailed kill-mail showing all of the involved parties, equipment, location etc.

Thank you for considering.

My suggestion is that CCP needs to not be half-assed about any kind of law enforcement system for one thing.

In order for a corp to be able to honestly label a player as a corp thief, there needs to be a mechanic in place for member voting to pass by majority vote to decide if a corp member is a 'thief.' It doesn't need to require for 100% of the corp members to pass a vote due to random game times, but it would need at least 75% of a corp vote imo.

There are plenty of MMOs that are able to add all kinds of guild functionality, so a voting system solely to convict a corp criminal is far from an unusual concept.

The Bounty system is being abused in this way, among others:

Data gathering, either for a) game-play spying, metagaming or b) bot, "real money" operations.

Valuable data is in the kill-mail.

Kill-mail includes my ship, fittings, location, time, etc. It also contains my attackers information. Some of these things can be considered character data, and some I would consider User Data. Things that I make a decision about such as my movements, time of day I play, I consider my User Data and private to me as a player, to only be given to people I approve.

For 100k I have a "tracking pixel" or cookie attached to me which I cannot rid myself of. If I die and the bounty is expended, the bounty poster applies the same amount again. This has happened to me a few times, by the same person.

I agreed to let CCP use my User Data and sometimes share my User Data with 3rd parties.

When I think of a 3rd party I think of another legitimate business, that is bound by some kind of corporate or business structure (and legal structures), that for whatever reason CCP feels needs to share my User Data is deemed appropriate.

I did not agree to share my User Data with other players. Where I go, when I go there, is private.

If you disagree and consider my movements and tracking part of game play, I contend the price of my data should be much higher than 100k. (Edited to add) Consider that the regular recipient of a Kill Mail as the attacker has risked his/her ship, in some cases security status, in order to attack me. They have "earned" their kill-mail by taking a risk that is worth over 100k in most cases. So it is established that kill-mail does have an isk value attached. Also, when I engage in combat with another player my location/time details is not an issue since I have willingly entered game-play and revealed those things on my own accord.(end edit)

Of course, a bounty placer can receive the game play satisfaction of receiving a simple undetailed mail telling them their target has been killed. For game play purposes, this should satisfy if they are only putting a 100k on, that just seems their game-play "ire" must not be too great. If it truly is important to them to see my kill-mail details, for satisfaction of course, they should pay more.

What I mean by the above is I do question the sincerity of bounty placement, and player motivations, and I think the isk amount should be adjusted to reflect this sincerity.

How much more? Well, perhaps CCP could compile their data on those 100/111k bounty posters and look to see their patterns and come up with a isk figure. Earlier I put forward 10 mil as a number, but I really am unsure what would be a proper amount.

If you need a game play rationale, I read this the other day*...

"Bounty Office Personell Threaten Strike"

"Today Bounty Office Chief Bobbalouis Fettucine announced there may be a labor strike.

The staff are angry over the longer working hours since we implemented the new system. The amount of time to process the Kill Mails has some staff working overtime, which is costly to the office. We have also reason to believe that Marketing agencies are using the Kill Mails to bolster their Marketing efforts as well as Corporations are using the data to monitor turf.

Well, everyone is a bit upset over being used for cheap data gathering and the workers are now demanding more pay."

Worker Papier Sorebottom is leading the labor effort and is hosting a sign-making gathering in the next few days. Anyone interested in volunteering can bring pre-made signage saying "We are Not Your Data Drones!"

* I just made that up.

Mag's talks about posting serious replies and thorough statements, yet when people have done this time and again, his only retort is "lol"? That's called losing any credibility in the discussion is what that is.

Both myself and others have stated clear and logical reasons why it is absurd to allow bounty placement to be done for such fickle and idiotic reasons.

Lastly, Mag suggested reading the ToS rules to Revillee, yet rules 1-3 clearly show reasons why the abuse of bounty placement should be halted by CCP.

There is ZERO reason why anyone should be able to place a bounty on another player due to mere words typed in chat that they didn't like. It is absurd.

Mag, you already proved you could care less about discussing the topic with any sense of logic so taking the ToS literally out of context without understanding the wide scope it covers, does not further your efforts in trolling the topic.

As I have said, i already posted earlier in the thread how the bounty system was being abused, and I will not re-post my statement to enable your laziness so feel free to read it yourself.

False, I never said I don't comprehend why those abusing the bounty system post bounties. You are using an informal fallacy to base your argument on. I understand very clearly that those abusing the bounty system are doing so to satisfy their own ego in order to bully other players into not speaking freely in chat or enjoying the game as it is without being harassed by those exploiting an under-developed feature of the game. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant and is not inductive of whether the bounty system is in need of being fixed or not.

I also can very clearly state that 'X' reason is a good reason for putting a bounty on someone because bounties are not something that CCP invented, it is based on a real system in the real world. That being said, it's not legal in that system to place a bounty on someone for something someone says either.

Again, I am not the only one who obviously feels this way about the problem or the thread wouldn't exist. Just because you lack the decency or a sense of morals to see the problem, doesn't mean anyone has or will ever put up with it. Why you added that last part "WE" I am not sure since you are only one person and have zero authority to speak for anyone but yourself.

And you dear sir, yet again avoided the topic. Your attempt to side step the issue by saying I'm trolling the topic, is an obvious ploy and rather silly.

You could prove me wrong, instead of ignoring the topic and my answers to your posts. Show me exactly what in the ToS is being broken. As I already quoted and replied to your earlier posts, merely point out where you show the bounty system is being abused. A link or quote will do.

You can clearly state that YOU think 'X' is a good reason. But as it's not your place to dictate or decide other peoples reasoning, it's a rather pointless argument to make.

CCP may not have invented the bounty system, but within the game of Eve their rules apply to their bounty system. Legality doesn't come into it. In fact one could argue the legality issue was removed, when they changed the bounty system.

People posting saying there is a problem, does not equate to there being one. Unless of course they can clearly show what the problem is. So far, you and others have not done this. You, even when repeatedly asked, avoid doing so.

Also morals don't come into it either, unless it can be clearly shown that the EULA or ToS is being broken in that way. Such as the use of racism, sexism etc. None of which are involved in this. Unless those getting the bounty said something. They are after all, the ones typing.

We are playing a game, with rules. Just like any other game, people are allowed to use the tools provided, as long as they stick to the rules. Complaining about morals in this instance, is like complaining about regicide in chess.

I've clearly shown what CCP think to random acts of spite, in bounty placements. Clearly they don't have issues with their sandbox game, being played as a sandbox game. You on the other hand, do. What you are after is called a themepark, which means you are either in the wrong game, or need to adapt.