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Why "high sec bears" don't go to null

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#101 - 2013-07-28 04:10:11 UTC
ELWhappo Sanchez wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
ELWhappo Sanchez wrote:
I agree ccp should sprinkle npc stations all over null sec so all us high sec bears can dock any where in null also.
ccp wants more people in null put your money where your mouth is.



Based on what I am seeing during incursions into nullsec, there are NPC stations out there.

Use your agent finder and you will see that there are such stations, as it will show you where every agent of a given faction is. Make sure you don't filter out "not available to you". Also, check some of the pirate factions too.



that's funny I've been to the drone regions and there's no npc stations there just in npc null.
i'm talking about putting npc stations all through null that anyone can use.



I don't recall drone regions having stations either.

You might want to consider the Stain region. I played out there for a bit myself a few years ago. Never got caught, but there's always Russians and what appeared to be merc groups passing through a lot. if you want to set up out there and get some PVP, Stain might be the way. I met a few other solo pilots out there who say it's not bad. Some station camping occasionally and a passerby gets bored or something, occasional bubble camps.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-07-28 04:13:39 UTC
Sigh....

This is my fit. It has 70k EHP from a single 9 charge ASB, 711 DPS, good agility, good speed, tank can't be capped out, gtfo ability if tank fails.

Show me a armor fit that is better in covert configuration for doing what I'm doing. Put up or shut up.

[Proteus, Infinity Ziona]

Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Federation Navy 10MN Microwarpdrive
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
XL Ancillary Shield Booster
Adaptive Invul II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM I
Medium Anti-EM 1
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitation Capacitor
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Additionally, my goal is to go into null and afk cloak, that's what my corp does. AFK cloak in null carebear systems. My attacks are just targets of opportunity on the rare occasion I'm at the keyboard.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-07-28 05:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
XL ASB... on a Proteus...

Let me get my locater agent.

Tell me whats wrong with that Im curious. It melted the oracle and if I had remembered to turn off auto on SB I wouldn't have gone anywhere near scratching my armor. Solo PvP you need to improvise fits to survive.


It is bad because of role overlap. Other ships which don't cost 600m-1b each and drain SP when lost can do facemelting up-close DPS with a heavy burst tank that is the same, if not better. I'm thinking of the dual large-ASB Cyclone or dual XL-ASB Claymore. Stabberbond, Vagabond, Blohk, Vexor, and to some extent the Myrmidon can all perform the role you were going for on the Proteus.

The Proteus has a role of it's own, and that is having a cruiser sized sig, colossal armor EHP, and putting out high DPS on top of that; It isn't hard to go over 400k EHP in a Proteus. Your standard non-cloaky aHAC Proteus fit runs around 200-260k EHP w/ 700+ DPS depending on skills.


EDIT:
[Proteus, Tengu Hunter Doctrine - Cloaky Recon Proteus]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-07-28 05:31:27 UTC
Props for trying. Just ignore the haters and those who will criticize your fittings. Its all part of the mind frak anyway.

NPC null will be lots of fun for a T3 pilot. You will be somebody's trophy KM eventually. So as long as your ok with that have fun. Otherwise a Pilgrim or something less expensive might be a bit more cost effective.

Anyway go gank as much as you can. Null can be alot of fun for those with the balls to play.
Yaturi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-07-28 05:38:07 UTC
Hmm..
a 200k+ armor buffer vs a 1200 charged active tank

I wonder who would win if they fought. *drumroll*
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2013-07-28 05:41:05 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
XL ASB... on a Proteus...

Let me get my locater agent.

Tell me whats wrong with that Im curious. It melted the oracle and if I had remembered to turn off auto on SB I wouldn't have gone anywhere near scratching my armor. Solo PvP you need to improvise fits to survive.


It is bad because of role overlap. Other ships which don't cost 600m-1b each and drain SP when lost can do facemelting up-close DPS with a heavy burst tank that is the same, if not better. I'm thinking of the dual large-ASB Cyclone or dual XL-ASB Claymore. Stabberbond, Vagabond, Blohk, Vexor, and to some extent the Myrmidon can all perform the role you were going for on the Proteus.

The Proteus has a role of it's own, and that is having a cruiser sized sig, colossal armor EHP, and putting out high DPS on top of that; It isn't hard to go over 400k EHP in a Proteus. Your standard non-cloaky aHAC Proteus fit runs around 200-260k EHP w/ 700+ DPS depending on skills.


EDIT:
[Proteus, Tengu Hunter Doctrine - Cloaky Recon Proteus]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

Those ships you mentioned are not covert ops. Mine is.

The fit you linked has 200 less dps, almost double align time, 500 less speed and half the EHP.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#107 - 2013-07-28 05:49:57 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
and half the EHP.


WAT?

No. It has 200k+ EHP omni in armor buffer. No need to cycle a damn thing either, it's just there. It still has over 180k firing into its lowest resist.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-07-28 05:58:32 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
and half the EHP.


WAT?

No. It has 200k+ EHP omni in armor buffer. No need to cycle a damn thing either, it's just there. It still has over 180k firing into its lowest resist.

Yup I misread it. You're right. It has better EHP, 1.4 times more. Useful for when I attack someone in a system with it, while 15 other mates are in local cause with the reduced dps, speed and agility, when they tackle me I can last a few seconds longer.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#109 - 2013-07-28 06:02:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
and half the EHP.


WAT?

No. It has 200k+ EHP omni in armor buffer. No need to cycle a damn thing either, it's just there. It still has over 180k firing into its lowest resist.

Yup I misread it. You're right. It has better EHP, 1.4 times more. Useful for when I attack someone in a system with it, while 15 other mates are in local cause with the reduced dps, speed and agility, when they tackle me I can last a few seconds longer.


LOL. Just pointing out you'd misread. Fit your Proteus how you want. It's your play time and your isk. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.

Most of the folks in here crying about it receive their fits from someone/somewhere else, anyway.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-07-28 06:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
XL ASB... on a Proteus...

Let me get my locater agent.

Tell me whats wrong with that Im curious. It melted the oracle and if I had remembered to turn off auto on SB I wouldn't have gone anywhere near scratching my armor. Solo PvP you need to improvise fits to survive.


It is bad because of role overlap. Other ships which don't cost 600m-1b each and drain SP when lost can do facemelting up-close DPS with a heavy burst tank that is the same, if not better. I'm thinking of the dual large-ASB Cyclone or dual XL-ASB Claymore. Stabberbond, Vagabond, Blohk, Vexor, and to some extent the Myrmidon can all perform the role you were going for on the Proteus.

The Proteus has a role of it's own, and that is having a cruiser sized sig, colossal armor EHP, and putting out high DPS on top of that; It isn't hard to go over 400k EHP in a Proteus. Your standard non-cloaky aHAC Proteus fit runs around 200-260k EHP w/ 700+ DPS depending on skills.


EDIT:
[Proteus, Tengu Hunter Doctrine - Cloaky Recon Proteus]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

Those ships you mentioned are not covert ops. Mine is.

The fit you linked has 200 less dps, almost double align time, 500 less speed and half the EHP.


The DPS and maneuverability drop that comes with it would be expected from an armor ship. My armor fit also has webs, so if you were going to engage it using your Proteus fit your MWD speed advantage would be nullified. If my disruptor is swapped for a scram, you are effectively immobile. In a 1v1 fight pilot skill would be the determining factor between your fit and mine.

On another note, you risk being instapopped if something goes wrong. 3 1400mm Tornadoes should be able to blap that set EHP. The armor fit requires 20 Tornadoes to be instapopped. It is situational for both.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2013-07-28 06:07:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Useful for when I attack someone in a system with it, while 15 other mates are in local cause with the reduced dps, speed and agility, when they tackle me I can last a few seconds longer.


That is more related to armor tanking for small-gang PvP in general. Armor kicks ass when supported by logies, but falls short to shield fits in small-gang. Being outnumbered amplifies that.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2013-07-28 06:09:08 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
XL ASB... on a Proteus...

Let me get my locater agent.

Tell me whats wrong with that Im curious. It melted the oracle and if I had remembered to turn off auto on SB I wouldn't have gone anywhere near scratching my armor. Solo PvP you need to improvise fits to survive.


It is bad because of role overlap. Other ships which don't cost 600m-1b each and drain SP when lost can do facemelting up-close DPS with a heavy burst tank that is the same, if not better. I'm thinking of the dual large-ASB Cyclone or dual XL-ASB Claymore. Stabberbond, Vagabond, Blohk, Vexor, and to some extent the Myrmidon can all perform the role you were going for on the Proteus.

The Proteus has a role of it's own, and that is having a cruiser sized sig, colossal armor EHP, and putting out high DPS on top of that; It isn't hard to go over 400k EHP in a Proteus. Your standard non-cloaky aHAC Proteus fit runs around 200-260k EHP w/ 700+ DPS depending on skills.


EDIT:
[Proteus, Tengu Hunter Doctrine - Cloaky Recon Proteus]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

Those ships you mentioned are not covert ops. Mine is.

The fit you linked has 200 less dps, almost double align time, 500 less speed and half the EHP.


The DPS and maneuverability drop that comes with it would be expected from an armor ship. My armor fit also has webs, so if you were going to engage it using your Proteus fit your MWD speed advantage would be nullified. If my disruptor is swapped for a scram, you are effectively immobile. In a 1v1 fight pilot skill would be the determining factor between your fit and mine.

On another note, you risk being instapopped if something goes wrong. 3 1400mm Tornadoes should be able to blap that set EHP. The armor fit requires 20 Tornadoes to be instapopped. It is situational for both.

Yeah agreed. In a usual scenario Id use yours. But atm gtfo and high dps is more important than HPs. I'm engaging BC BS because of the lack of web. Theyll get me eventually but Ill kill a few before they do.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#113 - 2013-07-28 10:09:54 UTC
The armor fit he posted is also less dps on paper, yes.

But it has a web. You will apply about as much of his fit, as you would with your higher dps with no web.

Possibly more. It might have less paper dps, but against anything smaller than a Battleship (like an Oracle) his fit will perform better just through having better damage application.

I've found blasters and rockets both really need a web to hit effectively.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#114 - 2013-07-28 10:21:12 UTC
Problem with armour buffers is that you either need to dock or have logi around to repair it.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-07-28 10:49:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The armor fit he posted is also less dps on paper, yes.

But it has a web. You will apply about as much of his fit, as you would with your higher dps with no web.

Possibly more. It might have less paper dps, but against anything smaller than a Battleship (like an Oracle) his fit will perform better just through having better damage application.

I've found blasters and rockets both really need a web to hit effectively.

I can easily kill an Oracle in this before he gets out of scram range unless he has AB. I can hit him no problems based on the combat log.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#116 - 2013-07-28 11:12:33 UTC
You know? We should all hop on that thread you have posted in Ships and Modules.

More appropriate to the topic to be over there.

I'll post an active armor fit I've seen used for you over there. I think it does need a PG implant to fit, but it's been a while since I rifled through my T3 fits.

I'll also see about putting up a Loki for you to look at too. You did say you were mostly shield skills, right?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-07-28 11:31:16 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know? We should all hop on that thread you have posted in Ships and Modules.

More appropriate to the topic to be over there.

I'll post an active armor fit I've seen used for you over there. I think it does need a PG implant to fit, but it's been a while since I rifled through my T3 fits.

I'll also see about putting up a Loki for you to look at too. You did say you were mostly shield skills, right?

Yeah Whitehounds fit seems superior to mine in that thread. Be happy to see your fit. If theres a better fit Ill use it. I usually only use Gallante blaster ships specifically Prot though I can fly Loki. Very rarely use shield fits at all tbh but experimenting with Prot fits this shield one seemed to be best agi dps tank combo for wacking nullbears in hub systems before friends arrive ~ 60 sec to 2 mins.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#118 - 2013-07-28 11:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know? We should all hop on that thread you have posted in Ships and Modules.

More appropriate to the topic to be over there.

I'll post an active armor fit I've seen used for you over there. I think it does need a PG implant to fit, but it's been a while since I rifled through my T3 fits.

I'll also see about putting up a Loki for you to look at too. You did say you were mostly shield skills, right?

Yeah Whitehounds fit seems superior to mine in that thread. Be happy to see your fit. If theres a better fit Ill use it. I usually only use Gallante blaster ships specifically Prot though I can fly Loki. Very rarely use shield fits at all tbh but experimenting with Prot fits this shield one seemed to be best agi dps tank combo for wacking nullbears in hub systems before friends arrive ~ 60 sec to 2 mins.


Nah, the Proteus has enough abundance of lowslots to go armor and still fit three mag stabs easily.

Now, I must ask, do you have the budget to faction pimp this thing? Because I swear by the Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. (3 scram strength, invaluable for catching semi wary people who fit a stab)

And Navy gyro/mag stabs would help a bunch.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2013-07-28 11:41:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know? We should all hop on that thread you have posted in Ships and Modules.

More appropriate to the topic to be over there.

I'll post an active armor fit I've seen used for you over there. I think it does need a PG implant to fit, but it's been a while since I rifled through my T3 fits.

I'll also see about putting up a Loki for you to look at too. You did say you were mostly shield skills, right?

Yeah Whitehounds fit seems superior to mine in that thread. Be happy to see your fit. If theres a better fit Ill use it. I usually only use Gallante blaster ships specifically Prot though I can fly Loki. Very rarely use shield fits at all tbh but experimenting with Prot fits this shield one seemed to be best agi dps tank combo for wacking nullbears in hub systems before friends arrive ~ 60 sec to 2 mins.


Nah, the Proteus has enough abundance of lowslots to go armor and still fit three mag stabs easily.

Now, I must ask, do you have the budget to faction pimp this thing? Because I swear by the Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. (3 scram strength, invaluable for catching semi wary people who fit a stab)

Yeah Im rich. I expected to die fast when I went out so put budget T2 mods on. I have'nt played in 3 years, just came back recently. Sansha scram have 3 points lol? Thats cool .

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#120 - 2013-07-28 12:22:58 UTC
Serpentis scram, not Sansha. But yeah, it works great for catching people you'd miss otherwise.

I went ahead and posted on your thread in Ships and Modules. Don't have the Loki fit yet, but you said the shield wasn't the deal breaker, so an armor Proteus will work just fine for you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.