Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you want a game where everyone has the same number and types of pieces and the outcome is down to skill, then play chess. Not Eve.

Quoted for mo'fuckin truth again!

ECM is completely broken.

You do know that firing guns is also a chance base mechanic, it's 50/50 whether you hit or not, before skills, weapon stats, ship bonuses and mods are taken into account.

In principle it isn't any different to ECM, which is also a chance based mechanic that is also modified by weapon stats, ship bonuses, player skills and mods. In principle it's no different so in other words all combat in eve is just a roll of the dice. Your job as a ship commander is to make sure the dice roll your way.

I can see how you think its the same thing as ECM, and in a way it is. But the end result is not the same, at all.

Read up on turret damage: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage

See how wonderfully complex the mechanics for gun damage are? Nobody really complains about them because they work great.

ECM however, is way too simple and can I say low quality of a mechanic to belong with the rest of the stuff going in EvE.

Simply put, we want a mechanic overhaul for ECM.

The gun damage is we roll a dice plus a ton of math... The end result is great.

ECM just rolls a die and the end result nobody likes, nobody but the bads that like cheap wins.

O rly? I guess I just have to take your word for it?

Rest assured, the most experienced PvPers in the game agree with me on ECM, and I know I am right.

You have a point and are right, ECM does screw up small fights very much. So much to the point were people just don't fight if they suspect an ECM ship going to be present.

You simply don't know what will happen if you fight, either you get unlucky and get perma-jammed , or you don't.? It is too unpredictable, and not very fun.

Prior to posting any replies I always make a point of reading every post, I've read every single one in this thread and I simply dont see any support for the claims you've made. Anyhow I won't get into a pissing contest with you as you clearly wont change your opinion and I wont change mine.

I reiterate that ewar is fine, there's plenty to counter it and it's not overpowered, if anything I think it's underpowered, you have your reasons for believing what you do and I respect them, I just can't agree with them. All math is elegant especially the simple stuff. Supporting one equation over another because its more complex seems wrong to me when its the result thats truly elegant.

Our gangs make a policy of avoiding gangs with Falcons or Rooks. The idiots that use them don't seem to understand that ECM is not fun - just a method of epeen enlargement. If you want to get fun fights, roams, and engagements, don't use ECM. If you do use it, you'll get less and less fights in the area because everyone will realize what an as*hole you are, and the only "PvP" you'll get in that region will be gatecamping newbies (oh, what fun! Waiting an hour to engage a newbie tristn on a gate with your Falcon supported fleet).

I hope one day CCP comes to its senses and decide to man up and accept the mistake they made with ECM. Its not a fun form of EWAR, not dynamic, trying to counter it results in crippled fits (for example - to counter sensor camps or TDs or neuts you fit sebos or tracking enhancers or cap boosters - all of these modules actually help your ship when you don't encounter its respective EWAR. ECCM? It's still mostly useless when faced with a Falcon, and absolutely useless (unlike the other mods) when ECM is not encountered.)

ECM kills small gang fights. I hope CCP one day realizes this and changes or deletes ECM from the game.

Where? I cant see any experienced PvPers agreeing with you. You know you are right,,, ,omg , can it be more egoistic?

in short: there is a chance based mechanish ,which isnt overused --> not op at all , has plenty of counter ,but mr "pro" pvper never uses any counter , and then looses 1 from 10 losses due to enemy ecm ship in a 2v5 or other outnumbered scenarios.
But he is so pro ,he comes to the forum to whine and qq. I can totally see the experienced PvPer part...

Yup... Diesel's is the shiznit of pretend pro PvP. Not a kill in months, but he sure knows how to roll in his Caracal... Because he's all growed up and played around for a month or two in low sec... So he's a pro dope a rope see. Yeah, he's the pretend Vin dessie. Go boy... wakka wakka

He can't even contribute an original thought in his own thread and just troll bashes anyone who can, cause deep down inside he's jelly. Read it all to see the truth. And who's all the "We" bit... It's he, himself and him.