EVE General Discussion

Did you read what you just wrote? How does:
· Creating a website that aggregates item values
· …and allows real-time cross-matching against the list created by a scan result
· …that has to be copied manually into the site.
· Creating a standing fleet.
· …that needs a scanner, a dozen gank ships, a scoop ship, and preferably a couple of bumpers
· …that need to be in the right system
· …and need to be maintained in order to not be constantly chased by faction navies.
· Co-ordinating an attack where closer to 20 people need to act in unison.

…in any way whatsoever qualify as “not taking a lot of planning”?! Are you out of your tiny little mind?!
You just described why it's so complicated that it almost never happens: because the planning and effort is so far beyond what the vast majority of players are willing to put in.

So in order to fix something that is not a problem and ruin a ship that is pretty much perfectly suited for its purpose from the get-go, you have to program in a bunch of special exceptions that has as their only purpose to give a blanket buff to the ship. This is — in every way imaginable — horrible design. How about instead, we leave them alone since there is absolutely nothing to suggest that they need any kind of change?

Freighters don't need module slots Any reasonable and non-broken addition of module slots to them would be a nerf to the ship, which would break them in a completely different way.

It's exceedingly which is why a thread pops up in GD every time one happens: because they are such a rare exception that people think of them as extraordinary enough to write about. If they were common, no-one would bat an eye and — ironically enough — pilots would be far better at handling them and be less likely to make themselves into viable targets…

I present to the court Exhibit A of why freighter pilots should not be allowed to fit modules to their freighter.

I know you're kidding (I hope you're kidding) but admit it, most freighter pilots would immediately do that, allowing them to carry even more valuable cargo while reducing their HP. Talk about a buff to suicide ganking...

but it's easy - someone who's never done suicide ganking.

Another isboxer fleet. If they keep this up its going to get a formal banhammer.

Ban them too.

The pvp isboxers are the worst though because they automate killing people. Next comes isboxer dread fleets to grind sov.

Either you are trolling or an idiot, or both. It's extremely difficult. That's why like 3 people in this game do it occasionally. When you have 60 people it is easy.


It takes more than 2 people to even think about exfilling the loot. There is a lot of effort involved in the scouting, setup, execution, loot extraction. And it doesn't get easier. CCP has progressively chipped away at the methods that let people do this in a relatively safe manner. It is now a dice roll whether you die or not trying to loot.

I would be a PR disaster to say that something is ok and then ban people using it (without making some sort of formal announcement so people can stop using it). And that is something for its own topic.

Botting uses of ISBoxer are already banned. Non-Botting uses of virtually any third party program are not banned.

Last estimate I heard was 6 battleships in 0.5 up to 12 for 1.0 - to be absolutely sure you gank the freighter before Concord rains on your parade.

Total HP on a freighter is actually great - it's the resists that suck. I fly my freighters all over the sky and I have never had a problem.

1) don't use AP unless you are empty - they will scan you before committing a gank force and generally leave you alone if they see no profit, i.e., you cargo hold is EMPTY.
2) DO NOT make cargo runs at predictable times. Mix up your transport schedule and ALWAYS be unpredictable.
3) If you have a cargo worth billions - scout ahead.

The more valuable toe cargo, the more you need to pay attention to the simple rules above.

I see no reason why you should not haul billions on cargo, as long a you are doing it right.

I have been making jumps recently with literally 3 billion worth of PI matz. The kind of funny part is that it seems safer to jump out of lo sec than it is to ferry the stuff in Hi Sec... You can't realistically haul that much stuff in transport ships with their ~7K hold - it would take too many trips. And each trip is additional risk. FOr hi sec minerals, we never transport more the 1 billion in a standard frieghter. Again, we have too much stuff for T1 haulers.

But you are quite corect - if your needs are 7-38K, there is no reason to use a frieghter. A great example is PLEX : we use transport ships in Hi sec as if we were in lo sec, cloaking betwen gates.