EVE General Discussion

i personally don't bother with that but they're great for giving black legion stuff to drop blackops BS on

I'd drop my super on them myself but those ratting carriers are usually future nyxes and i don't need a bunch of GSF nyx pilots avenging their carriers

This "rat carrier" news has inspired my employer to get more directly involved in Round 2. We will prepare accordingly.

Depends on who's definition of success you're using. Are we going to take over VFK? No way in hell. We have neither the ships nor the time. But it will be fun. And if we get some carebears to try out nullsec, then it's a victory in my mind.

I'm using my main, what are you bubbling about? some of us have mains who need to pay big amount of ISK for the insurance, again you don't understand much how we approach this thing... some use their alts to gather some experience first

SBUing and reinforcing a system would be "hitting us from behind" and you don't need a blob of capitals or supers or to do that, just 10-20 bored bomber/BC pilots

i'd argue that making a group move a fleet back home to deal with the timer has more of an impact than killing some goddamn cyno ships, but you'd probably have to use your mains to do that kind of thing, god forbid your isk/hr on evehq goes down

That's actually a point I want to seriously address.

One of the most daunting things for new players is the SP gap. But the overall SP system is designed against this. I've seen too many complaints from new players trying their hand of PVP and thinking they came up against a "super frigate", finding out it's because of SP, and they either leave, or fall into the "accumulate SP for years while grinding and be bored to death" experience we see a lot of.

I am using an alt because instead of just preaching about the SP system and how to be effective faster, while sitting on 10s of millions of randomly scattered SP (I can shield and armor tank and have skills for ships I never had, but only fly one ship at a time. Big deal), I need to see firsthand what new players and alts will face.

Difficult? Yes indeed. What I have found is that doing the research into how and what you want to fly, and what SP path would best serve getting the maximum firepower from it, is not as easy done as said, but it can be done. The real challenge here is not to be tricked off the path by transient needs. For example, if one finds they are jammed a lot, do they train ECCM or use drones/FOF?

So there are challenging little crossroads, and on that road, not picking up too much speed is also important. Getting racial frigate to 3 creates a choice: go on with frigate or go to destroyer (for many this is obvious: Destroyer at 5 only means dictor, frigate at 5 means SB, intie, AF, etc), but the decision must be made at that point. But what I find about not going too fast - is the actual experience. Someone looking to create a mission alt in say Gallente space is not going to get jammed like they would in Caldari space (Guristas like to deliver the raspberry alright). In PVP, the habits of where you PVP would be the most transient of all, since one person may go with ewar, and another with nuets or raw DPS. Do we cling to the bonuses of the hull at this point or adapt to the environment? The former could leave a defensive hole, the latter could lead to spreading out the SP que and delaying the arrival time of effective goals.

So to make it all about how many SP is the old hat way of boxing in new players and wrecking their game (without having to shoot them even). We are trying to hone the use of SP against this so people can get into PVP earlier. I recall that even the goons have some thinking along these lines.

Yes, you have to anchor SBUs on at least half of the gates, online them, babysit them for 3 hours while they online, find which planet the ihub is online at, and then shoot the ihub with a bunch of ships until it's in reinforced and you can no longer lock it.

Of course this isn't something you can do alone unless you can multibox a dozen supers or several dozen bombers/battlecruisers, and you certainly don't want to do this in a station system because that means you'll have to reinforce the station as well. 20-30 dudes in bombers or tier 3 battlecruisers who have some time to spare can reinforce an ihub easily.

Then note the timer on the ihub. When it comes out, you probably have no intention of taking the system (because you'll have to shoot through the ihub a second time, and then a third time, then kill the TCU, then babysit your own onlining TCUs, then titan bridge a freighter into the system to drop and online an ihub) but you can easily camp the route to the system to kill stragglers from the fleet going there to cover carriers repping the ihub.

The irony was not lost on me.

Would you yourself trust a Goon to do a straight 1v1? With a low-SP char, deep inside the Goons' basement? Isn't trusting Goons one of the things that gets your story posted somewhere? For everybody to get a good laugh at? Maybe you would have honored the 1v1, but I wouldn't have taken that offer either.

OK, no offense intended. Maybe someday when I know null personalities better I'd take that fight. But probably not. 1v1s just seem like testing fit vs. fit and SPs vs. SPs to me.