EVE General Discussion

Maybe not now, maybe when he realise only 5 people showed up in VFK, instead of thousands expected, he will rage and declare himself winner of all prizes. Then he might shelter under the fact that it s not a scam and he legitimately won these.

Hey could you guys try to keep it a little more positive in here? Some of us are trying to have fun...!

But seriously, why the personal insults on Harry? He's not bragging and he's not being arrogant. He's posting reports of his successes to encourage other highsec players to get in there and start shooting. He's putting a positive spin on things to keep the energy and momentum up. If you've ever put together a corp or any other volunteer group, you know that being a cheerleader is a huge part of it. 10% of people lead and organize, and maybe another 20% are active, reliable, and show self-initiative. That leaves another 70%-- the huge majority-- who need to be encouraged and motivated. That's what Harry's doing with his reports from the front-- P.R., recruiting, motivating, and keeping the momentum up. (I'm speaking for Harry here-- if that's not correct Harry, then say so). No need to hate on him for that.

And by the way, when I talk to Goon guys in local around VFK, it's usually positive, no bitterness, good sense of humor all around. They know who I am-- the carebear incursion thing is in my bio. We can shoot at each other without hating on each other. What's wrong with that?

Also, there's the question of these "reports of his successes". So far I've not seen anything I would consider a success. How he has lost so many ships considering he has primarily been fighting cyno ships with no guns on them amazes me somewhat.

good one Khergit, I think its the other side of the coin, we not only attack cynos but deep believes what can and can not be done... it feels like telling people there is no god although they believe in it and they need to believe in it to survive, we are breaking chains here, who where made over 10 years, its hard and people feel unconfident with their new freedome, not feeling safe in their alliance anymore scares them to death maybe. its not an easy path we did choose, but I'm sure if we hold together we can lighten up that darkness and show them the new and exciting world they are living in :')

Dont stop believin

You have it right.

Yeah this is not the end of the goons. But it will be the end of the nullsec we know.

Because if you look at the rage over AFK cloakers, nullsec is just as wallet-hugging as highsec. A nullsec bubble camper who does not get his kill will cry like a highsec mission runner throwing a tantrum over a ninja salvager.

So far the focus is on highsec carebears to realize that internet spaceships is not as "srs business" as people are conditioned to think. Now you have ship-hugging and wallet hugging all over the place.

The truth is, once the carebears show the way, the greifers and pirates (there's a huge difference) will catch on. So instead of suicide ganking hulks and attacking haulers in highsec, they will realize the potential for butthurt is much greater in nullsec. Think killing some noobs first mission drake is fun? He was going to lose it anyway. Sneak past Joe Camper who hasn't gotten a kill in an hour and tell him how fail he is for some real "tears" if that's what you are after. Send in a dessie suicide force and take out their intie that cost more than both ships combined and you get some real tears.

But those are the bottom feeders.

Nullsec has sold the same ISK fountain that they lie about highsec being. And they do this on their foundation of lies. Sure anybody can survive in nullsec, they will tell you, so long as you are in a corp/alliance.

What they fear most is the aspect of thousands of random neutrals out there hunting and harvesting. Sure they can be killed, blobbed, ganked, camped, and all that other good stuff.

But as much as we can argue that a gun has limitations, so does the power and scope of nullsec. You want to contain highsec? Well, their lies and propaganda have been successful, but in the long term, nothing else could work.

That's why the goons have sent in their crack team of forum warriors. Because the real target of all this is the big lie. The real target of all this is this fear that gets instilled in everybody to fear losing a ship while the goons act like they relish in it - making fighting them seem as futile as having a fistfight with an ugly person who has already lost all of his teeth.

No the nullsec alliances are not going to come toppling down. But like a mansion infested with zombies, you have a lot of beautiful real estate in which you can never rest. Eventually it would be abandoned.


So the target is the lie, the target is the carebear, their own impressions, and their own conditioning. You cannot defeat human weakness, they say, because you can't fight weakness - it's like throwing energy down a black hole. But weakness can be cancelled out.

Thousands of highseccers roaming nullsec looking for fights, loot, and harvest (for in the background there are explorers and miners doing their thing) will turn the "big blue donut" - something we can expect once more when TEST is defeated - into a festering hellhole of violence and fear. But there will also be freedom in a land where those who think they own it have none themselves, and pay to keep it that way.

This is the rise of nullsec piracy.

Quoting to see if harry answers for his cowardice

You demonstrate, as usual, the box you are stuck in.

I already told you that I won't hurf and blurf about how new players should go to nullsec and then go running in their with 7 years worth of SP racking. I'm sure if I did that, you will be in this thread pointing that out. It's an enlightening experience to focus the SP pathway of an alt for a specific purpose unlike my original experience of "a little here, a little there". It's a genius system.

Second, the only shiney toy I have is a Federation Navy Comet. I actually had 2 of them, but I gave one to Harry. I still have those free ships that were given to us in the past (Echelon, that sailboat, etc) but those are collectors items anyway.

Finally, I have donated enough materials to this project that I could have a hangar full of shineys.

For you, maybe it's all killboard and shineys. You are telling me how to play, with not actually appearing to tell me how to play. Stop wasting your time.

guys you so not know how to play this game, you just tell others not to play it, why? because they could find out how much you suck at it?

Goons and their fear of changes to the status quo...