Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a semi-mad post, after being permajammed a few times while soloing recently.

Currenlty, there is no real way to counter a Falcon with a couple of racials on you if your solo. One eccm doesn't do that much and more means really gimping your fits (one isn't even possible most of the time).

ECM is so horribly overpowered compared with damps and neuts on the other recons, because two racials will almost always permajam a target from 60k away and there's usually no point neuting out or damping down a target that can't lock, so why use anything else.

Of course all this changes when facing a large gang with your falcon, as everyone locks you up and you instadie.

My proposal is change the effect of ecm to reduce your max locked targets to 1 instead of 0, while increasing the falcon and rooks tank up to the other recons, maybe another mid on both. EDIT: I would be happy for ecm to no longer be a chanced based mechanic if the one target thing was implemented, so it always works, which removes a really ****** idea like chance mechanics since I can't take Luck to V. The hull bonuses could change to range or something.

This means:

- It helps out solo pvp'ers a lot (don't say bring an alt in a falcon or bring more people because just think about it), letting you still fight one target at a time even if there's ecm on the field.

- It maintains power in medium sized gangs, as it will still disrupt the logi especially and even soldiers who can't neut/ecm drone/shoot/ect different targets.

- It stops ecm being stupidly un-fun. It is the single worst game mechanic implemented ever and is the only thing that makes me rage when I die (getting killed is part of the game) and the only time I won't put the gf in local.

- It removes the only luck non-pilot skill/absolute mechanic in the game.

Falcon alt toating bitches are going to whine all day, because they'd actually have to win their fights with force. but anyone who's ever been out solo will like it. If your not going to just delete it from the game (my personal favourite and I use ecm drones all the time) then at least make it so it doesn't make me want to play WOT all the time.

This has been proposed in the past, but I still find it awesome. Will fix a lot of things while breaking very few (if any).

Don't want to be jammed? Sacrifice some tank/gank and fit ECCM modules.

Believe it or not, it does work.

Buy an Arazu, problem solved.

Well, it would make ECM basically useless. But since that's what you're trying to achieve, well done, I suppose.

With one target, you can still hold tackle on primary, rep someone or apply DPS to a primary. At most it means that you can't do two things at once... so what? Quite honestly, if you're soloing and a hostile recon appears, there's a good chance that you're screwed no matter what that recon is. In fact, since the typical Falcon/Rook doesn't fit tackle, you'd probably have a better chance of escape than if it had been a Curse, for example. If you're in a small gang and you don't have the ability to deal with an ECM boat at 80 km, then more fool you.

You are right, however, to say that it's a **** mechanic. But any alternative needs to allow ECM to retains its intended position as the most powerful ewar, and also retain its ability to break RR cycles. The "disable all highslots" mechanism that's been proposed a few times does do that, I think - the difference is that it wouldn't turn off medslots, such as tackle and ewar, so no more using ECM as "remote WCS lol". Which might be a good thing, tbh.

It would also prevent ECM boats from jamming each other though. Could be interesting. And, following a strict interpretation, smartbombs - which can be quite useful for killing ECM drones.

WTF can a Falcon do when he's sensor damped? You are right, it comes down to who locks first but the difference is, that sensor damps never fail as long as you fly the ship right. And you can fit an arazu with pretty good dps actually.

Learn how to fit your ship better or don't solo... Who the **** solo's a falcon anyway?!

says one who never ever used an ecm ship,only dps ones, and you want to tell us what this change would do to those ships??




half dmg at point range, well that is greatly not rly true it is more like 60-70%
worst tank... this is a myth , matar has similar tank compared to non resist bonused ones
worst sensor strength , oh yeah like 10-15% less than caldari , what a HUGE disadvantage

yes use yours what do you expect what will happen if it is 1vs2 or more? that you win?

It is supposed to be fun , looks like you want that only for u.
Do nothing? you can use everything which doesnt require lock

flying ecm ships helping gang mates is fun for me , and i know many who likes it too
not getting hit back doesnt defeats the point of having a fight, you just have as much chance to win as my eagle vs any matar ships


btw it is not hard to quess what jammers to bring if 90% of players flies matar ships,
i have all matar jammer except 1 caldari ,especially as all logis are scimitars , if they bring armor fleet we can run away easily

Drones man. Drones. Set them to auto-aggress and watch as the paper-thin tank of the Falcon disintegrates.

I support this Idea on the basis of.

Immediately Disrupt all Targeting at the start of the cycle.
Then allow your target to relock but only one target during the successful jam cycle.

It already will take enough time for the target to relock you. Might as well offer them a chance.

This is also true in PVE.

Worlds Collide in Gallente Space = sacrificing a lot on your ship for one aspect of a PVE Mission.
Especially since it's only one side that does so.

I know a lot of players will only do the left pockets of World Collide because of that.

EDIT:
I read the whole topic.

Everyone should realize it's SOLO PVP that he's talking about. The same thing is affected by Solo PVE.
It's not an issue with what Ship he brings because all Shield and Armor Tanks alike find one problem....
Sacrificing Tank to not be Jammed... I'd rather keep my tank and warp out if ECM isn't Changed.

I think it'd really bad that you can limit someones options at a constant rate from 60km away.

Sure. Keep your 60km away from me... If you can. Then should I get to close you'll want to warp out... unless you bring in friends... Which in turn makes it no longer solo where I'm not going to play the fight anymore and warp out right away.

Being forced to not ever target anything is an issue with PVE and PVP alike. Simply Change it to forcing 1 lock per cycle and clearing all locks at the start of every cycle.

That way if I can't target you but for maybe 2 seconds... that gives me a window of two seconds to react.. such as when in drone range to set my drones off or to allow my guns to cycle through once or twice.

To counter-balance the ECM issue. Allow the ECM to make it take longer to target the ECM ship as well, by decreasing Signature Radius.

There for if someone wants to target faster they'll bring in Targeting help as an opposition to ECM ... not an ECCM to be the one and only counteractive measure in a Jam fight.

oh and why to not bring an ECCM into a Solo fight. If that's what you're planning on?
You should know this if you play this game at all...

Armor tanks have to use their mid slots for cap stability.
Typically it's 1 AB/MWD Depending and the rest of the mid slots filled with Cap Rechargers. (possibly a Pointer as well.)
Low slots for Defense. + Cap Stability.
No one wants to go into a fight with only having 43 seconds of running everything from full cap to try and kill the enemy.

Shield Tanks... Mids slots = Tank
Why sacrifice your tank to not be jammed. Or have a Pointer?
Low slots = Cap Stability.

Another way to balance it is to have it have a Minimum Range it has to keep before the ECM no longer works efficiently enough, taking the luck factor out of it... So say you get within 25-30km of the Jammer... They have to decide to warp out or die.

Or if they're stupid enough they can try and fight.

AGAIN Think about the PVP aspects involved. I'd get within 45km and set my drones on the Jammer when i get a chance and that's on Pocket 1 before the split and going into more jamming ships...<_<

If the other player can't counter it effectively then it's un-balanced. Enough Said.

Actually I finish amarr cruiser V in like 13 days (mainly for the guardian but I've already bought a few curses/pilgrims. The problem is not being able to fight at all when your jammed, at least all other forms of e-war your not totally helpless.

Drones on aggressive just doesn't work in my experience. They should aggress ecm boats first (Caldari hate and all that). If I knew my Gardes would aggress the ewar boats first and focuss their fire on that ship, then I wouldn't produce so many tears.