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Bloody Hands on Atlanins

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-26 04:02:08 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If this is how the Minmatar repay the Federation for giving their kin a home, perhaps we should stop.


Don't be obtuse, Ixiris. You wouldn't want to be judged on the actions of the U.D.I., right?

I like the Federation Matari. I think they're a good addition, as Gallente as you and I, and we're better off with them. Don't fall into the trap some of the Republicans construct where they cast their state as the only true representative of the Matari. Hell, there's about as many of them in the Federation as there are in the Republic.

The Bloody Hand are simply latching on to the Midular tragedy as an excuse to do some crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing discount Impetus holos being sold out of the back of hovercraft by some of these people.

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Chinwe Rhei
Syn Interstellar
#22 - 2013-07-26 04:40:39 UTC
None of the people who turned against Midular in life have any right to act in her name in death.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#23 - 2013-07-26 09:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
The Bloody Hands are nothing more than a group of terrorist scum, they hide in the shadows and strike at civilian targets, coming up with whatever pitiful excuse they have that comes to mind, they're no different to the Pator 6.

You'll never see them on the front lines, engaged in direct war, nor come to the aid of their people.


Unlike recent events, don't attach this one to the Republic, and Matari people as a whole, they're better than this.

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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#24 - 2013-07-26 09:14:11 UTC
How unfortunate.

As for U'K, I never knew they have adopted such extremist views as of late. Shame.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-07-26 09:38:26 UTC
These terrorists strike me as the sort of people who, if they managed to burn their bread making breakfast would blame the manufacturer of their kitchen appliances and seek to display their anger and outrage by bombing one of the factories shouting, "We come for our toast!"

Some might think it ridiculous to do so, but probably only less so than bombing a bunch of Impetus workers who had no involvement in the death of Karin Midular. How sad that the memory of a woman who always sought the path of peace and compromise is sullied by the very same people who called for her death just to score cheap political points.

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Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#26 - 2013-07-26 11:02:08 UTC
This is a despicable act, done for reasons that should have been weeded from the Republic a long time ago. Sadly, the current regime, though not officially, seems to cultivate these sentiments instead.

No matter their claims; this is not a tribute to the legacy of Karin Midular in any form or way.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-07-26 11:57:34 UTC
Ugleb you are a friend and I know that you have the best interest of the Matari at heart, but you are wrong here. Any who know me, know I am anything but a moderate. This however is just wrong, how can you claim to jusitfy killing because you feel misunderstood. You point at the Gallente and blame them for not knowing what it means to be Matari, and for not understanding our culture. Right after you spit them in the face for all they have done for us. Minmatar are living in Gallente space, it is for us to adjust to them, not the other way around. It is for us to teach them if we wish them to know. If anything you seem incredibly ignorant of gallente ways. They are not Matari, they do not think like we do. You can not judgethem by that standard. The bloody hand are hypocrites and act with callous disregard for minmatar interest and human life in general. Let's fight our real enemies, we have plenty without having to imagine new ones.


You are mistaken, you and the bloody hand need to chance your course.

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#28 - 2013-07-26 12:31:37 UTC
**** it, I'm going back to bed.

Try to have the cluster in order by the time I wake up tomorrow, okay?
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#29 - 2013-07-26 13:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
I think I can see where this is going.

Shakor is just going to make noise about how terrible and tragic it all is, but won't lift a finger to apprehend these terrorists. Why should he? They're probably on his speed-dial, not to mention payroll, judging by the near-perfect alignment of their political stances in the past.

And if for some reason he does get them caught, he sure as hell won't be respecting the matter of jurisdiction, just like last time. No, he'll keep the little ***** safe and sound inside the Republic away from the big bad Federation and make excuses.

And then, when the Federation decides enough is enough and takes action, Shakor will scream and rant and rage, "woe is me, look at how the Republic is so disrespected by its neighbors, you horrible brutes!" as if he's innocent.

Except the difference here is that the Federation will have every right to take action, unlike the Republic in Colelie.

My advice to the Republic? Do the cluster, and more importantly, yourselves, a favor for once: turn over the Bloody Hands. And should Shakor make any effort at sheltering them, turn him over too - if you can't be bothered to fix the problem yourselves by putting a bullet through his head. Or several.

Morwen Lagann

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-07-26 13:07:48 UTC
I love it when people state that: 'these opinions are not representative of my parent alliance'.

There is no quicker way to get Ushra Khan highlighted as the racist hypocrites that people have long suspected them to be, especially when such a petty form of 'revenge' is taken by a known terror cell and then condoned by a sorry excuse for a man claiming it is 'just' while denying that he speaks for the organisation he is a member of. Ushra Khan would do well to expel this miscreant if they wish to stand by his own words, that they do not support his point of view. Anything less is agreement by association.

I guess when you do it, it's an honour killing, when anyone else does it, it's a murder, hmm?

I have little love for the Federation, but eye for an eye tactics are a little barbaric, especially when they do not seek to address the root problem, only burn a few buildings and end a few lives in an expression of infantile rage. None of this makes me question the Republic, but all of it raises a lot of questions about a certain organisation that claims to support it.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#31 - 2013-07-26 13:08:10 UTC
Yes, Ugleb, give in to your hate, Hate the Gallente, and their cultural oppression of 'your' people.

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Tamonash en Welle
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-07-26 14:20:46 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

My advice to the Republic? Do the cluster, and more importantly, yourselves, a favor for once: turn over the Bloody Hands.

Now I'm not master of intelligence affairs, but appears most likely that these terrorists are hiding within the Federation and preparing new attacks. I hope the FIO while handle this affair efficiently.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#33 - 2013-07-26 14:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Tamonash en Welle wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:

My advice to the Republic? Do the cluster, and more importantly, yourselves, a favor for once: turn over the Bloody Hands.

Now I'm not master of intelligence affairs, but appears most likely that these terrorists are hiding within the Federation and preparing new attacks. I hope the FIO while handle this affair efficiently.


One would hope, except that the Bloody Hands and Shakor are birds of a feather, and you ought to know what they say about those.

If they're smart, they'll be running home to Daddy Sanmatar for protection while they plan their next move. Something that citizens of the Republic should do everything in their power to prevent.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Ollie Rundle
#34 - 2013-07-26 14:48:46 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.


There is a vast difference between the understanding of a culture and capitulating to unreasonable demands, gunboat diplomacy and overt acts of terrorism. You appear to have confused the two.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-07-26 15:07:44 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Minmatar are living in Gallente space, it is for us to adjust to them, not the other way around. It is for us to teach them if we wish them to know.


In general I really approve of the things you're saying here, Asatru, especially this. I think it should go a step even further, though. The Federation's absorbed about as many Matari as the Republic is composed of, and in general they've done well here. A good addition to the Federation. They're an integral part of something that Republic Matari simply have no experience with - a well-functioning multiracial democracy. Maybe the Gallentean Matari have something valuable to teach something to the Republic Matari.

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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#36 - 2013-07-26 16:47:08 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Minmatar are living in Gallente space, it is for us to adjust to them, not the other way around. It is for us to teach them if we wish them to know.


In general I really approve of the things you're saying here, Asatru, especially this. I think it should go a step even further, though. The Federation's absorbed about as many Matari as the Republic is composed of, and in general they've done well here. A good addition to the Federation. They're an integral part of something that Republic Matari simply have no experience with - a well-functioning multiracial democracy. Maybe the Gallentean Matari have something valuable to teach something to the Republic Matari.


I think a large part of the problem is that the Republic is currently dominated (and, as demonstrated by the OP, quite often represented) by what an old Khanid philosopher once described as 'dark thinkers'. Not a moral judgement; 'dark' as in the opposite of 'light' in a purely mechanical sense. He pointed out that it is not possible to have a concept of darkness without a concept of light; darkness is, in every possible sense, the absence of light. Darkness is defined by its opposite, and thus without that opposite, we would have no concept of it..

In this case, that means that these 'dark thinkers' entirely structure themselves based upon their relationship with the Empire. If the Empire spontaneously ceased to exist, these people would be totally lost. But since we're here, and not going anywhere, they can attempt to frame their entire civilisation as an attempt to contradict ours. Their jingoism, their outright racism (what else would you call it?), their 'we're misunderstood victims' whining schtick...

Sadly, I think a lot of them actually believe that the treatment they received genuinely is a get-out-of-jail-free card to do whatever they please. I'm not going to talk about justifications for the conflict between the Empire and the Republic, because I don't feel like getting stung to death by shoving fireworks anywhere near that hornet's nest, but Republic foreign policy since Shakor took over has shown breathtaking arrogance and revilement towards anything not Matari.

The funny thing is, the moment any Amarrian makes the smallest comment on the matter, the ad hominems and waving of said card come thick and fast. It's been quite educational watching how things have evolved here lately, given that most Amarrians have stayed very quiet during the Colelie incident and aftermath. I know that many Gallente commentators have been saying things that I agree with, and I would imagine that a lot of my kin similarly agree with, but suddenly there's a shortage of reasonable defence for a lot of what happened from certain parties that will remain nameless.

I'm aware that that probably sounds pretty venomous towards Matari in general. It's not meant to be; my target is the Republic and certain elements, like the OP and his beloved Bloody Hands. The Matari people are capable of great things, and I hope that one day the political situation changes and sanity is restored. People like Mr Asatru are at least a step in the right direction.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-07-26 17:15:41 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Electus Matari does not condone such acts of senseless violence.


But you do participate in them.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2013-07-26 17:31:46 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Electus Matari does not condone such acts of senseless violence.


But you do participate in them.


...and your hands are clean of violence and senseless destruction? Hah?

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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#39 - 2013-07-26 17:42:20 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Electus Matari does not condone such acts of senseless violence.


But you do participate in them.


...and your hands are clean of violence and senseless destruction? Hah?


Time until ad hominem 'you're mean too' anti-Amarrian remark... 16 minutes.

Thanks for proving my point, Anslo.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#40 - 2013-07-26 17:45:14 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Electus Matari does not condone such acts of senseless violence.


But you do participate in them.


...and your hands are clean of violence and senseless destruction? Hah?


Time until ad hominem 'you're mean too' anti-Amarrian remark... 16 minutes.

Thanks for proving my point, Anslo.


To be fair, we were both betting on it being done in less than 5 minutes...

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque