EVE General Discussion

The problem is that you can never convince a high sec only player that there is any money in high sec, despite the fact that they themselves can open their wallets and see lol. many of them (like I) tend to plex their accounts all the same.
It was a "kitchen sink" fleet but all of the "shooters" were machs, nightmares, vindis, with the exception of the logi and oe maelstrom. Not even a shiney fleet but full of shiney. Called it quits after about 2 hours and if you count LP at BELOW the standard incursion community rate of exchange as well as the isk from completing sites, I was almost 300 mil richer than I was when I started.

When I've used that same Machariel in null sec (and fit for null sec with defensive equipment like a MJD or target lock breaker, or ecm burst and carrying ecm drones ect) doing anoms, even making the average (for a mach outside of Angel space) 30 to 35 mil every 20 minute tick , it takes me 3 hours to make that. If i do it in a 10 man "anomalie fleet" like the 10 man VG fleet, I'd make even less because of how bounties are paid out in anomalies (and missions) vs how it works in Incursions ( the trade off being the possibility of a faction spawn that will probably drop nothing or an escalation to a Fleet Staging Point that most people don't do because who wants to fly a total of 30 jumps into hostile space lol)

2 hours in a 10 man fleet with built in logi support under the protection of CONCORD (worrying only about the possibility of a gank, a contest or an awoxxing), vs 3 hours in null sec where anyone can shoot you, blues in system means possible awoxx, and where you have to fit to survive (and where if you do fleet up as in an incursion, you lose out to a bad bounty sharing system). It's not hard to see the proper individual choice here.

And that's just incursions. There's cosmos plex farming, there's exploration farming (protip, find a high sec "island" and live there lol), there's mission agents everywhere, some for little known npc corps with LP stores that have some really interesting BPCs that turn to GOLD if your smart and savy)....

You can make isk in nulls sec and I pride myself on being able to dig out that isk while avoiding dying. But after a while, even for someone like me who likes a challenge, you end up saying "screw it (at least for a while), i'ma go to Osmon and spam Sisters of EVE missions and sell sisters probes all day long and make the same isk, without having to fit warp core stabs and cloaks that screw up my ship".

How many people can do anomalies at the same time in a given -1.00 truesec, fully upgraded 0.0 system? How many people can run level 4 missions in any given system with a level 4 agent at the same time?

Who has been calling for a buff to null industry? Certainly not the leader of CSM6 or intended leader of CSM7.

That is your opinion. Other people seem to disagree it seems.

Hi-sec is never going to get nerfed, because the only way you can nerf hi-sec is by removing concord, which is never going to happen...

CCP can reduce the amount of isk you are able to make in hi-sec by running missions and mining, which just means it going to take a little longer to get filthy rich for new players. Old players are already filthy rich, don't really matter if they see less profit, there is nothing worth spending isk on in hi-sec anyways.

Reduce the profit from missions and mining, it's just means less pointless over pimped paper thin tengus sleeping on gates, and other funny stupid stuff that happens when people get to much isk.

Let me rephrase, the only way to nerf hi-sec is to turn it into something else then a high-security area, but that is ever going to happen.

Jenn aSide was ridiculing my experience, but lets look at this, using a Machariel in missions or using a Macharial in 0.0, the truth is that its comparing apples and pears, to meake real ISk in 0.0 doing Sanctums Havens and Foresaken Hubs you use a carrier or two carriers, because Initiative are in bad space, Catch does not make Jenn's experience indicative of 0.0.

I talked about this point made by Jenn with two friends who are 2003 and 2004 toons, they laughed hard, just recently they were ratting in Carriers in Sansha space and made billions and they did not even bother with doing the Escalations and they were very clear, level 4's which are the bread and butter ratting activities in HS are in no way shape or form anywhere near anomaly ratting in 0.0 which is the bread and butter ratting activity in 0.0. This was exactly my viewpoint.

Incursions are a very high income earner but you have to sort out a pimped ship then try to get in with a load of elitist groups, many people don't do that and run with friendlier folks, like anything Incursions have issues and if there is only one in HS then incomes get squeezed.

And to make it clear, I have spent more time in 0.0 then HS and I tend to make a lot of ISK in 0.0 and less in HS, and the reason is that I do not really do Incursions, just every so often, when I am in HS I do level 4's and it in no way compares to 0.0.

HS ratting income for the majority of players is less than 0.0 income, simple as.

The only possible way for everyone in nullsec to be making as much as the average bunch of guys missioning and doing incursions is if anoms spawned at a ludicrous rate.

They don't. Not every grunt out there has the opportunity to rat, and there aren't enough to go around. Whereas, there are plenty of incursions for everyone, and no one, anywhere, ever, has ever run out of missions.

That's the part you are failing to understand.

Yes, if you take one battleship in highsec, and one battleship in nullsec and make them race, assuming no one is going to come screw with the nullsec battleship, he will win.

But not all of nullsec vs all of highsec. Highsec wins that so hard it's not even funny. Stop taking it in a vacuum.


Wardecs are not griefing. The unwillingness to participate is entirely irrelevant. Don't make stuff up.

I just want to repeat this totally accurate comment, nice one and spot on.