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Selling other game's ingame curency for isk Alowed or not?

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Pasanete Oda
Future's Holdings
#1 - 2013-07-26 00:20:02 UTC
Im sorry in advance for my bad english

The Terms of Service is a bit hard for me to undestand so ill ask you guys,i hope you dont mind.

Am i alowed to sell other game's ingame curency for isk?
For example selling Battleforge points for isk?
I would take full responsibility if i was scammed,and would ask the owner (or admin or anything) of the other game too.
But i thought ill start here
I know the probability of this being fine is pretty low but i asked it anyway.I hope you dont mind Oops
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-07-26 00:31:22 UTC
B. Selling Items and Objects
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

While Im sure that many people do trade in-game currencies, ISK is the intellectual property of CCP and your subscription only pays for you to access their property. Trading or transfering it violates the EULA.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2013-07-26 03:12:19 UTC
tl;dr...

No, it is not legal.
Oraac Ensor
#4 - 2013-07-26 09:47:13 UTC
Andracin wrote:
B. Selling Items and Objects
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

While Im sure that many people do trade in-game currencies, ISK is the intellectual property of CCP and your subscription only pays for you to access their property. Trading or transfering it violates the EULA.
How does this in any way address the OP's question?

ShahFluffers wrote:
tl;dr...

No, it is not legal.
Under what rule?
Pasanete Oda
Future's Holdings
#5 - 2013-07-26 09:51:59 UTC
Alright .Thank you.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-07-26 09:59:32 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
How does this in any way address the OP's question?



Pasanete Oda wrote:
Am i alowed to sell other game's ingame curency for isk?


Selling Items and Objects
You may NOT transfer, SELL or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, CURRENCY, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, SELLING or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, CURRENCY, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means IS PROHIBITED BY THE EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

bolded the important parts for you.
I am Lost
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-26 09:59:53 UTC
Worthy of note, is that selling eve isk for dust isk, and vice versa is allowed, at least according to a petition I have recieved.
Oraac Ensor
#8 - 2013-07-26 10:48:15 UTC
Andracin wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
How does this in any way address the OP's question?



Pasanete Oda wrote:
Am i alowed to sell other game's ingame curency for isk?


Selling Items and Objects
You may NOT transfer, SELL or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, CURRENCY, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, SELLING or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, CURRENCY, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means IS PROHIBITED BY THE EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

bolded the important parts for you.

Those parts refer to EVE items, not items from other games.

So I repeat: how does this answer the OP?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-26 10:59:49 UTC
Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse?

The quoted portion says clearly that you may not buy or sell in-game currency (ISK). The OP's asking about trading some out of game item (what it is is irrelevant) for ISK. Hence he's asking about buying ISK for some out of game item, and that is prohibited.

Same as buying ISK for real world money.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-07-26 11:15:28 UTC
It doesn't matter what your trading. What the OP wants to trade is irrelevant it could be Battleforge points, dollars, yen, brightly painted stones or tree bark. If you take any out of game item for an in game item and it is not a sanctioned system such as PLEX you are in violation of the EULA, which happens to be exactly where the quoted portion comes from. There are alot of other things in it, you might want to go read it.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#11 - 2013-07-26 11:31:56 UTC
Andracin wrote:
It doesn't matter what your trading. What the OP wants to trade is irrelevant it could be Battleforge points, dollars, yen, brightly painted stones or tree bark. If you take any out of game item for an in game item and it is not a sanctioned system such as PLEX you are in violation of the EULA, which happens to be exactly where the quoted portion comes from. There are alot of other things in it, you might want to go read it.


A lot of people do video or other promotional material for an eve corp for ingame isk. Would you argue that was illegal as well then?

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Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-07-26 12:14:45 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Andracin wrote:
It doesn't matter what your trading. What the OP wants to trade is irrelevant it could be Battleforge points, dollars, yen, brightly painted stones or tree bark. If you take any out of game item for an in game item and it is not a sanctioned system such as PLEX you are in violation of the EULA, which happens to be exactly where the quoted portion comes from. There are alot of other things in it, you might want to go read it.


A lot of people do video or other promotional material for an eve corp for ingame isk. Would you argue that was illegal as well then?

For Your Clarification:

Direct from the Eve Online Terms of Service

10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.

11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
Hairything
HairyCorp101
#13 - 2013-07-26 12:38:40 UTC
Andracin wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
Andracin wrote:
It doesn't matter what your trading. What the OP wants to trade is irrelevant it could be Battleforge points, dollars, yen, brightly painted stones or tree bark. If you take any out of game item for an in game item and it is not a sanctioned system such as PLEX you are in violation of the EULA, which happens to be exactly where the quoted portion comes from. There are alot of other things in it, you might want to go read it.


A lot of people do video or other promotional material for an eve corp for ingame isk. Would you argue that was illegal as well then?

For Your Clarification:

Direct from the Eve Online Terms of Service

10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.

11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.


ToS's means very little in games. Most of the time its just legal jargon without much substance and almost always open to interpretation.

great example is this

1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player

Most of PvP breaks this rule.



Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#14 - 2013-07-26 13:30:13 UTC
Despite the derailment about things like PvP smack talk in Local often breaking the EULA, etc., you can and will get the immediate banhammer for trading items from another game for isk. Very recently - like a month ago, maybe? - another new player came to this very forum completely confused and upset that he was banned with no questions asked because he had been "trading" Diablo 3 assets for isk.

Don't.even.think.about.it. End of story.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Hairything
HairyCorp101
#15 - 2013-07-26 13:42:29 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Despite the derailment about things like PvP smack talk in Local often breaking the EULA, etc., you can and will get the immediate banhammer for trading items from another game for isk. Very recently - like a month ago, maybe? - another new player came to this very forum completely confused and upset that he was banned with no questions asked because he had been "trading" Diablo 3 assets for isk.

Don't.even.think.about.it. End of story.




I have nothing against pvp, I was just using that as an example of how ToS's can easily be open to interpretation and that not all rules in a ToS is set to get you into trouble. I have no idea if someone got banned a month ago but if they did then they were prolly spamming local chat. I dont condone anyone breaking ToS's in games but it happens all the time.

Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#16 - 2013-07-26 13:53:33 UTC
Hairything wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Despite the derailment about things like PvP smack talk in Local often breaking the EULA, etc., you can and will get the immediate banhammer for trading items from another game for isk. Very recently - like a month ago, maybe? - another new player came to this very forum completely confused and upset that he was banned with no questions asked because he had been "trading" Diablo 3 assets for isk.

Don't.even.think.about.it. End of story.




I have nothing against pvp, I was just using that as an example of how ToS's can easily be open to interpretation and that not all rules in a ToS is set to get you into trouble. I have no idea if someone got banned a month ago but if they did then they were prolly spamming local chat. I dont condone anyone breaking ToS's in games but it happens all the time.




Since you brought it up, though, even the "You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player" line in EVE's EULA has very clear precedent for how it is enforced, and no, in the EVE universe, simple Local PvP smack talk does not break the rules. What does break the rule is making the fight demonstrably personal against a player and there are notable incidents of this occurring -- so notable that in at least one fairly recent case it even made the wider gaming media.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

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C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2013-07-26 13:58:01 UTC
No. You may not trade any items from other games for items or ISK in EVE Online.

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