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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#21 - 2013-07-26 05:03:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Hello GoodSir wrote:


I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Crikey look at all those guys in exactly the same pose. Screams multi-boxer ganker to me! Shocked

Seriously tho, highsec freighter rule number 1, don't carry more than 1-2billion. Rule number 2, don't use autopilot. This will reduce your chances of getting ganked to virtually nill.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-07-26 05:33:33 UTC
You are pretty safe if you restrict your cargo to around 1B ISK.

Above that, and you start to attract gankers who do it for the profit. Below that, and they are doing it for the lulz (mostly Burn Jita). If you do not autopilot and aren't going through Perimeter/Jita, you are probably good up to 2B ISK or so (but there is an increased risk > 1B).
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-07-26 05:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Xen Solarus wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:


I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Crikey look at all those guys in exactly the same pose. Screams multi-boxer ganker to me! Shocked


I think the use of the exact same last name "Hijacker" might have been the bigger giveaway... but yeah. Most of those chars were one multiboxer.
Cecil Montague
PCG Enterprises
#24 - 2013-07-26 06:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Hello GoodSir wrote:
I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Last guy on that kill is in the same corp as the Charon, did zero damage and was using a web on it so it's very unlikely he was autopiloting and using the webber would have decreased his vulnerability considerably. So it is likely his technique was OK, his strategy in taking 4bil of cargo through a popular 0.5 system, not so much.

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Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#25 - 2013-07-26 07:20:30 UTC
Freighters are fine as they are, its the pilots who needs a buff Blink

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-07-26 07:47:29 UTC
We hit 0.001% of monthy freighter traffic and of that 100% are because the freighter pilot is doing something stupid.
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-07-26 07:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Cecil Montague wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:
I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Last guy on that kill is in the same corp as the Charon, did zero damage and was using a web on it so it's very unlikely he was autopiloting and using the webber would have decreased his vulnerability considerably. So it is likely his technique was OK, his strategy in taking 4bil of cargo through a popular 0.5 system, not so much.


Yup. The greater the potential profit, the greater risks a ganker will take. It's going to be much harder to catch a webbed non-AP freighter than one that is not, but if the one that is not is only carrying 400 mil of goods, it'll most likely get a pass unless the gankers are bored and willing to miss out on something better.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#28 - 2013-07-26 07:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Freighters should be gankable in highsec. If you don't understand why then stop playing EVE.

Also, you're dangerously close to the isk-tank argument, which is invalid.

It doesn't matter how expensive your stupid freighter is, that doesn't grant it immunity from ten to twenty ships wailing on it at once in a coordinated attack.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-07-26 08:00:53 UTC
Hello GoodSir wrote:
Why is it that freighters have such low hp that they can get ganked in highsec by a bunch of destroyers? It just seems silly. eve killboard is kind of depressing.


Any ship can get ganked by a "bunch" of destroyers, for sufficiently large values of bunch.

What do you think is the correct number of destroyers to be able to gank a freighter?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-07-26 08:01:22 UTC
(hahaha just kidding, of course I know you don't think freighters should be gankable at all)

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Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-07-26 08:02:01 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Freighters should be gankable in highsec. If you don't understand why then stop playing EVE.

Also, you're dangerously close to the isk-tank argument, which is invalid.

It doesn't matter how expensive your stupid freighter is, that doesn't grant it immunity from ten to twenty ships wailing on it at once in a coordinated attack.


If I fit an Estamel BCU to my mission CNR then it should take an extra 40 Tornados to kill it c/d?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-07-26 08:02:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We hit 0.001% of monthy freighter traffic and of that 100% are because the freighter pilot is doing something stupid.




Like taking Prophecies to Fountain?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-07-26 08:19:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


Like taking Prophecies to Fountain?


No, that is a factistic idea and should happen more.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-07-26 08:55:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We hit 0.001% of monthy freighter traffic and of that 100% are because the freighter pilot is doing something stupid.


Like undocking?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#35 - 2013-07-26 09:25:28 UTC
You do realise, that the game already offers you ways to increase the EHP of freighters?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-07-26 09:35:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We hit 0.001% of monthy freighter traffic and of that 100% are because the freighter pilot is doing something stupid.




Of course, it's also true that Goons aren't the only gankers out there, and some of those other gankers may be ******** when it comes to calculated profitable ganks.

But the chances are so close to nil as to be lotteryesque, and if you do the math and see that they made a loss on ganking you, you could probably post their failure and let everyone have a laugh at them. Assuming you did it in a non-whiny, amusing way which is probably less likely than the unprofitable gank to begin with.

But yeah, short version is be careful what you haul, kids. And if the first time you come to the forums is to complain about losing your freighter, you deserved to lose it.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#37 - 2013-07-26 10:06:27 UTC
I actually think that all freighters should have either 2 low or 2 med slots. The base HP should be balanced down to account for it, but by adding one slot, you could choose how to balance your resists. This would just mean gankers need to think about it more.
At the moment, because the resistance gaps are the way they are, gankers are always aware of the exact number of ships they need to alpha the right damage types. IMHO it would be better if it took a bit more consideration.
Destroyers though are all round too cheap for the level of alpha they provide, and with the addition of criminal tags, ganking is considerably easier than it used to be.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#38 - 2013-07-26 10:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Karsa Egivand wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Hello GoodSir wrote:


I dont think that worked so well for this poor guy...
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Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.


Crikey look at all those guys in exactly the same pose. Screams multi-boxer ganker to me! Shocked


I think the use of the exact same last name "Hijacker" might have been the bigger giveaway... but yeah. Most of those chars were one multiboxer.

I think this highlist the issue of multiboxign too. using ISBoxer, this guy just needed to click one button to get all of his characters to simultaneously fire, with more coordination that would be possible with a fleet. While I don't think the use of multiboxing is all around a bad idea, when it does things in a way that couldn't be replicated by an actual fleet of players it's a bad thing.

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Spurty
#39 - 2013-07-26 10:17:23 UTC
Freighters are fairly un-EVE like ships.

Zero fittings? Talk about boring

Give them all highs,mids,lows and rigs.

Whatever next?

Oh got it. Delete the warp scrambler. Make it just appear in all ships as a ghost module, or make it so just shooting someone stops them from warping out.

Yah freighters are very dumb ships to fly in eve

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#40 - 2013-07-26 10:22:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I actually think that all freighters should have either 2 low or 2 med slots. The base HP should be balanced down to account for it, but by adding one slot, you could choose how to balance your resists. This would just mean gankers need to think about it more.
There are already ways to increase a freighters EHP. Nerfing a freighter doesn't make sense tbh. So no thanks to slots.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.