Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yes.



ow really ? how is "there's no way around Rancer " anything but a statement of fact ? to me, that doesn't look like a generalistic overview.



you wanna argue semantics here ? you can make profit engaging in piracy. what I think you and OP are saying that the profit that IS made, is not enough for either of you. again, there is no way of ascertaining what you base this on. is this based on personal experience or what you've heard in NPC corp channel ? what you also seem to ignore is my request for credentials. how long has OP been pirating to make such a blanket statement?



Ow really ? so all the ships, modules and implants we have destroyed came out of thin air ? gotcha.....

Again, you are arguing semantics. previously mentioned ships,modules and implants have for the most part been bought of the market. after their destruction they'll hopefully be replaced by our "customer", AKA bought from market. I think what you are trying to say is that the magnitude of the effect piracy has on commerce ("the market") is negligible. since both of us do not have access to the volume of trading in New Eden, it is a personal opinion wether or not you think the effect is negligible. not a statement of fact. on the off chance of "commerce" is meant to entail trading, transporting and the likes: try to get Black Frog to move your stuff to Rancer or Tama, then come back to me, and tell me that piracy has not effected commerce.



ok, so you want effeciency AND safety. in low sec. No, just no. there are already tools you can use, in or out of game, to make an informed guess as to the status of certain low-sec systems (map> statics, Dotlan). you want efficiency, find a way through Rancer. you want safety, go around. At this point in time, you can't have both. deal with it

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As for "Gatecamping isn't fun or PvP" : the first part is (most likely) OP's personal opinion, not fact. the last part is just plain false.

So try harder next time. check your facts.

A couple of things here. First the easy thing. Piracy has affected logistics to rancer sure. But in general piracy has not fad any noticable affect on commerce in general. Or as you put it, the affect is negligible meaning not noticable. When a person loses their pod or ship yes it stimulates the sales of implants ships and modules. But how much if this are pirates responsible? Blowing up what someone is hauling may increase demand or decrease supply, but are pirates destroying enough to affect commerce?

Nope. You would need to blow up a large portion of an individual item to impact commerce. And because most commerce doesn't have to go through low sec you wouldn't be given much of an oppurtunity.

Again on the profitability of piracy.
First, how much isk could a single person make?
Then, how many people could make this much through piracy?

Is piracy a viable profession for one person? Potentially
Is piracy a continuous stream of money? Nope
Is there a limit to the number of people that can profit from piracy? Yes

I just wanna make it clear, I'm not talking about high sec ganking.

This change would create a steady stream of haulers through low sec. And there will always be tards and unlucky risk takers out there looking to make a quick buck just waiting for someone to grab em. As of now, pirates don't have much to work with. The normal arguement is that they ran em all off by being pirates but that's probably true. There's no real reason for people to go to low sec nowadays other than FW or passing through to null sec. This would be a way to create a steady stream of traffic through.

I love the idea of a low sec separating the empires.

Play with the available pirates and sites a little bit and it means all things DON'T go through Jita, you would actually have regional markets that would create interesting oppurtunities and risks for the traders, haulers, PvPers, basically everyone if they do it right.

....and yes its quite easy to get around Rancer, and Ammamake for that matter.

Just not if you are in a hurry.

Yes. Yes, yes yes. Yes.

More regions like Solitude would be awesome!

Deep lowsec has no cons

Solitude <3

ID love to see this change. That's all I have to say. Also the current bounty system is. Way better than the last

What are you talking about? Has high,low,null sec been in any other form in the past? I wasn't aware of this.

Please explain how the "full ten year history of this game" has anything to do with this idea.

Please explain how this would "ruin the game entirely."

You could fully flesh out your ideas to tell us why you believe what you say.

On the other hand, there have been quite a few issues brought up in this thread that have all been thought through. I don't there's really anything new that hasn't already been given attention.

There is something i want you guys to think about. What periods of time in history are the most interesting? Times of Peace or times of War? What period of time would you guys consider New Eden to be in right now?

Seriously though, who thought that peace time was the right time for the setting of this game in the first place?
Wouldn't it have been grand to be playing at the time of the Minmatar rebellion instead of reading about it? Or the Caldari-Gallente war. Or the Amarr Jove war?

Seriously, peace time is a time for the real world. Not video games. Turn Eve into the Warzone it should be!!!

I like it- would create more areas for pirates to operate and more 'escorts' for valuable cargo moving from one empire to the other.

Id also vote for system security to be variable depending on outcomes from faction war. So some .5 systems become .4 and vice versa as borders ebb and flow with the outcome of whatever is going on with faction wars.

Why? You already need appropriate sec status and faction standing to enter faction highsec as it stands. Your missing the purpose of this idea. All yours would do is make travel have an unneeded tax and quite irksome, without having a positive impact on the economic or pvp landscapes. Boo.

To the OP: This deserves dev attention. Conceptually this would fit well with eve's philosophy. +1

I see most opposition to this taking the stance of fear of camps, or that it will decrease Interhub trade. These positions are flawed.

Its clear that the OP is proposing the idea so that camping all routes should be infeasible. Cloaky haulers will work most times, as they're very hard to catch. There are may options to avoid destruction with a little ingenuity, and the idea that all gates will be hell camped is just fear talking.

Those that think this will hurt interhub trade seem to misunderstand the difference between difficult, and worse. True it will make trading between hubs more difficult, and as a result some people will stop. But traders are opportunists, and will seek to cover the emergent gaps to claim the profit for themselves. This adds more opportunities for competition to the market, making for a much more dynamic climate. This is a positive effect, not worse. If you find yourself thinking that this would make your gameplay more challenging and that's a bad thing, I question your choice of MMO. Why choose eve compared to its much less challenging competitors?