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Bloody Hands on Atlanins

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#1 - 2013-07-25 20:45:57 UTC
I have just heard the news that the Bloody Hands of Matar have attacked an Impetus Facility on Atlanins. I will admit to being surprised at the timing, although with hindsight perhaps I should not be.

The Bloody Hands are a group that I have an old familiarity with as they first appeared in the days when many Minmatar were outraged by the actions of the Midular government, a time when organisations such as the Ushra'Khan were highly prominent in the political landscape of the Republic. The founding of the 'Hands came about as a protest group for Minmatar Baseliners and their adopted image was an echo of our own. As such, I feel compelled to comment on these events.

I speak now not on behalf of the Ushra'Khan, but as CEO of the Jotunn Risi. Although I have recently rejoined the ranks of the Ushra'Khan, I was operating independently at the time of the recent 'Midular crisis'. In that time I fought at the battle of Colelie, where the Republic Fleet engaged the Gallente Navy in protest against the Federation's refusal to extradite the assassin Gerne Broteau.

I say this to explain what I mean when I say that I understand how this event has come to pass. In recent months we Minmatar have witnessed repeated, high profile demonstrations of the Gallentean lack of understanding or even willingness to grasp our culture and ways. The level of frustration and offence caused runs far deeper than they imagine.

The 'Hands seem to have reached a similar conclusion as I did over the death of Midular. Despite her failings as a leader, despite her failure to realise her potential as a Ray of Matar, she remained a Ray with all the status and significance that mark brings. She was Minmatar. Her death at the hands of outsiders was a heinous crime and the disrespectful handling of the incident an offence to all Minmatar.

As such, I can understand the anger that has resulted in this act. Let this be a warning of things to come if attitudes do not change. There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-07-25 20:59:00 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.


Given the recent 'actions' of your people these last months I don't believe there are any powers in the cluster who don't share the same understanding we've had of you for hundreds of years.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#3 - 2013-07-25 21:05:13 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.


Given the recent 'actions' of your people these last months I don't believe there are any powers in the cluster who don't share the same understanding we've had of you for hundreds of years.


The Amarrian 'understanding' of Minmatar was to suppress our ways, to date the Gallente have chosen to ignore them or even legislate indifference. Neither approach is an attempt to truly understand the culture. But of course, you have little interest in that.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-07-25 21:27:21 UTC
Welcome to the wider cluster, fledgling nation, where nobody else really cares about your culture but you. The Minmatar Republic, or Tribes, will have to come to terms with this fact on their own. Every other culture has learned this. Every other culture seems to have learned to deal with it as well.

The Amarr are continually attacked for their beliefs and culture, even those that have nothing to do with slavery. They have learned to enforce their culture. The Gallente are constantly mocked and derided for the more visible aspects of theirs. They have learned to spread their culture. We Caldari have our own set of issues with how our way of life is misunderstood and insulted. We have learned to defend our culture.

This is the way of things. It's what's going to happen. Violent protection of a culture is the natural response to outside forces, though it's not the most palatable. I realize it's a valid and noble cause to demand understanding by outsiders, but it's an unrealistic one.

I suppose it is up to the Minmatar people to learn how to handle this.

Katrina Oniseki

Maris Verdure
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#5 - 2013-07-25 21:46:27 UTC
I'll be the first person to admit that I'm not too damn bright, but what freaking good does it do for Matari to set other Matari on fire just to show the Gallente how wrong they are about the Minmatar?

You see, I bet once the list of names of the injured and the dead comes out, there are going to be a fair number of Minmatar names on it. As has already been pointed about by untold numbers of folks, there happen to be quite a lot of Minmatar living in the Federation. Living there. Working there -- and not always in places where Gallente or Intaki or Jin-Mei want to work, either. Places like, you know, distribution centers.

I'll just leave this here and wait for someone smarter than me to explain what this was supposed to accomplish. I mean, I do have some ideas, but none of them are good, and I'm kinda hoping none of them are right, and like I've said, I'm not too damn bright.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-25 21:48:04 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.


Those Minmatar living within Federation space? The ones with Federation citizenship? Those Minmatar are Gallente.

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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-07-25 21:50:38 UTC
Didn't you people try telling the Caldari that?
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#8 - 2013-07-25 21:51:20 UTC
It is grim when groups chose to debase their ideology by common theft or wanton violence.
It is worse when they claim to do the work of their ideological opponents.
And it is worst of all when those ideological opponents can no longer defend their name.

I could spit at you, but I'll rather shed a single tear for what you have been and what you could become.

My condolences to those who have to suffer for this terrorist attack. Those who died now, those who were wounded, and those whose relatives or friends were targeted. My condolences to the Gallente, and my condolences to the Minmatar who will be given the blame.
But most of all, my condolences to the memory of the Ray of Matar.

Midular, may your spirit prevail.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-07-25 21:57:23 UTC
As a former Peace and Order peace officer and a capsuleer with previous consultancies regarding security protocols with a specific eye to multi-racial workforces, I'd like to make myself available to any capsuleer who feels vulnerable to these sorts of actions.

Obviously the territories that your facilities operate within will determine the types of measures that can be adopted but, no matter where your factories reside, steps can be taken to protect your valuable investments and the innocent within your workforces.

Please send me a mail with the title "Labour Security Consultancy" and either myself or my assistant will get back to you as soon as possible to arrange a conversation pursuant to setting up a consultancy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#10 - 2013-07-25 22:19:04 UTC
Ugleb wrote:

... to date the Gallente have chosen to ignore them or even legislate indifference. Neither approach is an attempt to truly understand the culture. But of course, you have little interest in that.

Though I do find the Minmatar culture intriguing, I fail to see why the Federation has to understand it. We are quite capable of respecting our neighbors and their ways without having to understand the nuances and intricacies.

However, if you demand that we respect and understand your culture, then you must in turn understand and respect the culture and methods of the Federation. Understanding and respect go both ways. Your own government all but kicked the Ray of Matar out of the Republic. When the terrorist killed her along with scores of Gallente citizens, where was the understanding and respect shown to the Federation's traditions and culture with regards to the rule of law and due process?

Your lack of understanding of other cultures is just as bad, sir. I have great respect for what the Minmatar have managed to do, but committing acts of senseless violence against innocent targets because there is a sense of frustration at the lack of understanding of your culture is not the way to get people interested in learning about your culture. In fact, that sort of behaviour only reinforces the negative views many have of the Republic and thus cutting off potential allies and supporters.

Keep spitting in the face of your ally and you will find yourself on your own.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#11 - 2013-07-25 22:32:41 UTC
A public service announcement from Electus Matari:

Ugleb is no more representative of the Minmatar people than Diana Kim is of the Caldari.

My heart and prayers to those killed in yet more senseless violence. Sad, that a group who wanted to kill Midular, now kills because someone else killed her.

Spirits guide you all

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2013-07-25 22:36:36 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
A public service announcement from Electus Matari:

Ugleb is no more representative of the Minmatar people than Diana Kim is of the Caldari.

My heart and prayers to those killed in yet more senseless violence. Sad, that a group who wanted to kill Midular, now kills because someone else killed her.

Spirits guide you all


Interesting. Would you care to elaborate on Electus Matari's position regarding the OP and the event in question?

Katrina Oniseki

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2013-07-25 22:41:21 UTC
Electus Matari does not condone such acts of senseless violence. We fully intend to assist the Republic Justice Department and the Republic Security Services in any way, and our hearts and hope go out to all of the people impacted during this attack.

My people have been greatly stirred as of late. Sadly, when something is mixed about, scum tends to float to the surface.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-07-25 23:09:41 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.


Given the recent 'actions' of your people these last months I don't believe there are any powers in the cluster who don't share the same understanding we've had of you for hundreds of years.


The Amarrian 'understanding' of Minmatar was to suppress our ways, to date the Gallente have chosen to ignore them or even legislate indifference. Neither approach is an attempt to truly understand the culture. But of course, you have little interest in that.


I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the universe doesn't revolve around the history of the Minmatar/Amarr relationship, the Federation has had other, far more important, things in past to deal with (there was the small matter of the Federation/State wars).

Whilst in the long run the Federation could probably defeat the Empire the larger Imperial fleet would inflict heavy damage to the Federation and to be quite frank recent events have shown that the Republic isn't as good an ally as we once thought. If this 'theoretical' war started there is a huge risk of what the State would do, a war on two fronts is a difficult one.

Personally I think the Republic has had enough help from the Federation. There have always been rumours of the vast convoys crossing the Federation boarders just before the Minmatar uprising and I refuse to believe those Elder fleets were solely built by the stagnant economy of the Republic.

The sad fact is the Republic is slowly turning into a mini-Amarr empire - can't get exactly what you want? Throw a few fleets at them until you get it. Even the Empire has learned that doesn't work in the long run.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-25 23:35:21 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:
The sad fact is the Republic is slowly turning into a mini-Amarr empire - can't get exactly what you want? Throw a few fleets at them until you get it. Even the Empire has learned that doesn't work in the long run.


While I think there is certainly some truth to this, I don't think a discussion of Federation-Republic relations belongs here. These people are criminals and mass murderers, acknowledged as such by both the Federation and the Republic. Treating this as anything other than a crime to be solved, or treating these people as anything other than criminals to be caught, attaches needless importance to their views.

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Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#16 - 2013-07-25 23:42:09 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
These people are criminals and mass murderers, acknowledged as such by both the Federation and the Republic. Treating this as anything other than a crime to be solved, or treating these people as anything other than criminals to be caught, attaches needless importance to their views.


Agreed. These Terrorists are only interested in causing Mayhem and using the current issues between our nations as a weak justification for this assault on Innocent Civilians. Let those responsible be caught swiftly and tried under Federal Law.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#17 - 2013-07-26 00:36:03 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
As such, I can understand the anger that has resulted in this act. Let this be a warning of things to come if attitudes do not change. There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.

W​ell I couldn't agree more!

I think the Federation should follow the lead and logic of our Tribal friends and honor their cultural sensitivities by ​doing exactly what they did.

Sending a flotilla of Dreadnoughts into Tribal space and making idiotic demands.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-26 00:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Ugleb wrote:
As such, I can understand the anger that has resulted in this act. Let this be a warning of things to come if attitudes do not change. There are a great many Minmatar living within Federation space, it is long past time that the Gallente learned to understand them.

Oh, I understand perfectly.

If this is how the Minmatar repay the Federation for giving their kin a home, perhaps we should stop.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#19 - 2013-07-26 02:14:01 UTC
So you claim indifference to your culture on our part which somehow justifies an unprovoked attack on your oldest (and only) ally? That's some culture you have there; that cries foul over every little thing other countries do but then expects us to just make more efforts to "understand" you.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#20 - 2013-07-26 02:54:14 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
The 'Hands seem to have reached a similar conclusion as I did over the death of Midular.


You came together as hypocritical trash handed an opportunity to roar with the manufactured outrage of tribal posers?
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