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Just got my first Carrier!
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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-07-25 18:39:00 UTC
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
~words~
It looks like you're a little insecure about your abilities and your knowledge. There's no need to get defensive or passive-aggressive.

Don't worry, one day you'll learn and one day you'll get to play with the big boys.


Not at all. I have no abilities never flown pvp. And newb knowldge. Nothing to even be defensive about. Its when ur trying to convince urself u have abilities then ur defensive. I embrace my newbness. My words are with tsukino
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-07-25 19:06:42 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:

I also knew all of that apart from the MWD on the carrier, there is nothing on google to find that info actually apart from that one thread you started.

Carriers can use neuts yes, but is it worth it? Not really. that inty that just tackled you has a fleet already in warp to blow you up and no amount of neuting is gonig to save you

Same thing with the smartbomb, oh you killed the interdiction probe? Good for you, the dictor still has point on you and fleet is coming.

Carrier is a premier way to get yourself an embarrassing lossmail, as so many people have already told you: doing it in a subcap earns you slightly less isk/hour at a heavily reduced risk. If you had any idea how economy works you will be interested in opportunity costs rather than the raw isk/hour you can theoretically make.

I will not be lumped on the same side of the fence as you, I don't dream up ridiculous tactics like solo widow and rapid light missile rattlesnakes for small gang pvp.

"Continue pvp in your frig and believing your super pro"

Bigger is better right?

All the most pro players in this game all fly titans, am I right guys?


Most people fly frigs because their cheap and fw. Bigger ships definitely are better. Just ask BL or PL who gank with supers. Thats how the big boys roll. Not that theres anything wrong with enjoying some frig pvp. But in ur case my point was/is that thats where ur horizon stops

U still dont get that neuts and maybe smartbombs do in fact have a solid place in a carrier. Carriers are great for ratting. Shrug...theres ur horizon.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-07-25 21:17:46 UTC
BL and PL drop supers on people not because it's effective but more for the comedy value. The "big boys" get bored and then when the situation presents itself theyre all humping the titan waiting for the bridge to go up.

People do frig pvp because it's fast paced and fun, many pro pvpers fly pirate or faction frigs worth hundreds of millions as well, it's hardly ever to do with cost.

You seem to also have this narrow-minded view that I only do frig pvp, not sure where you got that from.

Also it wouldn't hurt you to actually get some real pvp (or even game experience in general) experience instead of theorycrafting your ratting carriers and solo widows on the forums.

Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-07-25 22:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.


i mean, i been saying for a while that your best advice is when u say useless things like get better or ur fit sucks. nothing worse than when you crawl from under your bridge and try to give real advice. Given those 2 choices or you just letting the real vets share their knowledge ill take the not wasting time option. So Ill take it we wont be hearing any more fail advice from you? well played sir
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-07-25 23:14:46 UTC
Only one person who lives under a bridge in this thread and it's not me =/

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#66 - 2013-07-25 23:59:02 UTC
Can you two please get a room.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-07-26 00:02:31 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Only one person who lives under a bridge in this thread and it's not me =/


hey, you said your not wasting your time with me anymore. I declare foul

Quote:
Can you two please get a room


we are trying to nerd rage over here. I cant be the only one entertained? No? ok well im having a good time
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-07-26 00:05:06 UTC
Just one last thing: have you ever considered thinking through anything by yourself, or you just blindly follow anyone who says "I fly it and its good and makes xxx isk/hour"?

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-07-26 02:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Just one last thing: have you ever considered thinking through anything by yourself, or you just blindly follow anyone who says "I fly it and its good and makes xxx isk/hour"?


thats a stupid comment. ive been posting all these widow and rattlesnakes fits that you so strongly disapprove of and then you ask if I follow blindly?

If I followed blindly id be flying some pre approved frigate build and wed be best friends. You should spare yourself the embarrassment of constantly saying its your last comment. You start to look foolish after a while, or rather all the time just more so :)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-07-26 02:26:31 UTC
Still not sure why you think I only fly frigates, frankly every time you bring up the point it makes you look slightly more stupid.

Also never said I'm not wasting time with you anymore, that doesn't mean I'm not going to comment.

And as to your widow and rattlesnake fits: that's not thinking, at least not how I define it. If I were to analogise your ramblings to something in real life it would be akin to suggesting to keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#71 - 2013-07-26 02:30:49 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.


BRILLIANT!
I must try this.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-07-26 02:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Still not sure why you think I only fly frigates, frankly every time you bring up the point it makes you look slightly more stupid.

Also never said I'm not wasting time with you anymore, that doesn't mean I'm not going to comment.

And as to your widow and rattlesnake fits: that's not thinking, at least not how I define it. If I were to analogise your ramblings to something in real life it would be akin to suggesting to keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.


I achieved stupid long before saying you only fly frigates. I assume you fly frigates because its the only thing I havent heard your ideas about and so the only thing left where you havent proven yourself to be a short sighted vet wanna be.

its one of those better to be silent and have people think your a fool, than to open your mouth and prove you are beyond all doubt. You still have that sliver of doubt that your not a fool about frigates too. You should hold on to that last shred of diginity....hah that was a good one, im jotting that one down for future use :)

besides, commenting back to me is probably the definition of wasting your time. Which you said you werent going to do anymore.

Putting together a widow, rattlesnake, carrier, bhaalgorn etc etc fit is the definition of thinking for a newb. I learn all kinds of interesting things.

Its how ive learned all kinds of things that you didnt know and it doesnt stop there. Weve just scratched the surface of what you dont know that i do and theres so much more that real vets know its scary
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-07-26 11:05:33 UTC
The only thing in this thread that I was unaware of thus far was the fact the MWD could accelerate a carriers align time and who could blame me, even googling only brought me your thread on the subject.

Everything else I've told you has been on point and instead of questioning it you've just said "nuh uh, xxxx said it was true and he flies a carrier!"

Putting together these fits for t2 and pirate battleships are all well and good but you have NO IDEA on what their purpose is and therefore come off at a tangent and people just get confused or dismiss you as a troll. Yes you learn what their actual purpose is when some kind soul tells you, but that could have easily been achieved with 3 seconds of google.

Informed assumptions are better than blind assumptions, I'm sure you at least understand that.

And don't worry, I know plenty you don't and also there's plenty I don't know but none of that is in your knowledge pool.

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Twisted Girl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-07-27 07:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Twisted Girl
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
BL and PL drop supers on people not because it's effective but more for the comedy value. The "big boys" get bored and then when the situation presents itself theyre all humping the titan waiting for the bridge to go up.

People do frig pvp because it's fast paced and fun, many pro pvpers fly pirate or faction frigs worth hundreds of millions as well, it's hardly ever to do with cost.

You seem to also have this narrow-minded view that I only do frig pvp, not sure where you got that from.

Also it wouldn't hurt you to actually get some real pvp (or even game experience in general) experience instead of theorycrafting your ratting carriers and solo widows on the forums.

Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.

we dont really drop supers because its lols mainly, we drop supers because the fewer the pilots the quicker the reaction time and easier to coordinate. getting 150 duders on a titan takes time , while getting 3 supers to log in takes seconds. we usually worrie about getting the support there afterwards:P because you would loose out on a lot kills if you cant react right away.

on top of that supers can get themself out of there really fast while a battleship gang would need a titan to bridge them home.

and no offence to bl, but they arent really know for dropping supers like that. they mainly drop dread/carrier fleets. Sometimes they use supers , but its never without a support/capital fleet alrdy on the field.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-07-27 10:54:04 UTC
I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated.

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-07-27 12:41:04 UTC
How much is a fully fit Carrier nowadays?
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-07-27 14:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
you can keep it reasonable for under 2 bil. Its the rigs that blow up the price so restraint is good there. So about 6 hrs of ratting youve paid of the potential loss of the carrier.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-07-27 14:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated.


doesnt change that bigger IS better and thats why the big boys fly big ships and poorer players fly frigs because their scared to lose isk.

If you know what your doing, and can handle a little loss then a gang of players flying big powerful ships is how its done.

as for the widow and other covops ships. Ive gotten a hold of a pvp group that know what their doing and they fly pure covops gangs. So while your out there being a sheep and laughing at me for not thinking for myself. Slamming my interest in the widow, im broadening my horizons.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-07-28 00:09:24 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.


No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect)
The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode.
Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#80 - 2013-07-28 03:16:36 UTC
Dear OP,

I have a carrier. A Nidhoggur, in fact. I have used it in combat about 5 times - including getting hotdropped by supers and docking in hull (hence the name Mr Lucky 5% Hulltank). The rest of the time it's just a giant suitcase. It is, however, a good asset to have for C5 wormhole PVP and PVE.

If you are conservative with it and reduce your risks sensibly and have somewhere to log it off safely or dock it safely it will stay with you for years. With the right kind of intel and situation and fat enough wallet, you can PVP with it in lowsec If you fly it (way too) drunk or sloppily, it may only last you a week.

The important thing is to get into a good corp which can support you.

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