EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

You're not full of it, but I'm not sure there is any reason to get excited here, since this sort of thing happens every year. It's just that the different rules and point costs change what the dominating setup will be each year. It's made worse by the fact, that most teams are quick to copy a strong setup and the really good teams don't want to reveal their hidden aces during the initial group of fights. With the introduction of bans this problem has at least been confined mainly to the first wave of filtering fights and we should see a lot more variation from here on out.

I'm glad we have banning to keep the meta moving, definitely not good for something too be too dominant. However, I disagree about boring. Back in my day we had Drake/Tengu turtle comps and ECM comps which couldn't kill anything on the grid. That was boring. Domi mirror matches were really intense and awesome even though its more fun to see a lot of variation.

Good in AT =//= needs a nerf

Just because a ship is good in the Alliance Tournament doesn't mean that it isn't balanced on TQ.
We have seen no Vagabonds, Cynabals or Zealots in the Tournament for example, does that mean they are undervalued and never used on TQ? Far from it.

come on how blind are you people!! 80km medium blasters tracking is what the Domi's gardes are doing this is clearly OP

I don't find Domi's all that boring nor OP. They are tough, especially with their excellent damage projection. But they have weaknesses too.

On a more serious note, the issue with Dominixes is their immunity to ewar in an environment where ewar is a primary means of damage mitigation and what often defines the winning side of a fight.

Can't do tracking disruption on them, good luck fitting one module for each of their drones.

Jammed? Sensor dampened? Assign your drones to somebody else.

It isn't that they're OP by themselves, only that they let you fit actual useful modules instead of counter measures to all types of ewar.

AFAIC all ewar (except neuts if they're even considered as such) could be removed from the game and we'd be better off for it, good riddance.

You cant set individual points values for certain ships.

Not only would that be insane for organizers , it basically means tourney theorycrafters have to memorize even more **** than they do already because not all ship classes will be equal

I am not crying nerf. I just wanted to open a dialogue on it. Because we've seen worse in the past is no reason to not try and reach for better in the future

I was here for every single alliance tournament, I'm not ignorant to to the realities of ships being able to shine in a regulated and pre-formatted engagement.

Like I said, there are counters. But I'm not sure that given the specific tournament conditions that these counters can be equally weighed with the benefits particularly sentry drones with perfect tracking provide. One thing Eve tranquility combat has as a foundation is the ability to tactically maneuver on and off grid in such cases and to escalate the engagement, (which the tournament realities are obviously going to remove. )

So what can we do to open up tactics against?
I'm not really in a position (read; active enough) to weigh whether or not Domi's are OP on tranq
(and I don't want to insinuate tourny balance == tranquility balance.), but we can hold those discussions separately.

That said, if a tracking disruptor could impact the drone tracking I think that makes sense. It was a smart move when they applied them to missiles and it would be a smart move to apply it to drone hulls, especially the domi; whose hull from which the tracking bonus are applied to begin with.

Rise, I know you and many at CCP have taken a very bold and serious look at ever improving balance. I think this is worth considering (*cough* along with making my tempest more than a bc *cough)

Anyways, thanks for the replies and keep up the good work!

/how do you think it would work if bans applied period. As in: going into the tourny from the first match of the first day people can pick a ship to ban? Worth thinking about.

The only thing that might be nerfable is the fact that you can assign drones to an instalocker and then the instalocker suddenly does 750 dps. Assigning drones works fine but there should be a bit of delay, especially from a BS using them.