EVE General Discussion

Ahh, for some odd reason I thought the seller and buyer orders were calculated separately instead of in aggregate. Ok now that makes sense. Thanks.

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OP shart in pants with original sin, Mr Greedyguts try fast one pulling off competition, then follow through on forums whine babybear want pooper scopped by CCP?

Andy Pandy must be mental to trust market mech. Obvious scam, all of it.

Advice lice off donations and free soup, mine and sell ore like Elvis D Roosevelt.

Strip out the RL example and my post still works (also look at the house buying example, where the money often goes into an actual escrow account). A market order in EVE is an offer to treat, not a contract.
In what way is the agent biased? It ensures that the entire value of the order being fulfilled is in escrow before an order can be completed. That's the entire job of an Escrow agent.



Each and every one of EVE's skills changes the rules for you once you train them. That's what an exception based system is.
You can't fit T2 guns except if you've trained the right skills.
Can't fly a Titan except if you've trained the right skills.
Can't use more than n market slots except if you've trained the right skills.
Have to tie up the entire value of a market order in escrow except if you've trained margin trading.

The tin doesn't have to be on the trade.

With lofty, what mechanic allows you to look up whether a gang had 2 warring WTs in it before joining? With margin orders, you can look to see if the buy order is likely to complete by looking at the normal price of the item, or simply sell to the next order if the first fails without any loss.





Yes it does. You try to sell it, the escrow agent makes something similar to a margin call, the call fails, the order fails, and the trade does not occur. The trade not happening and the order disappearing are the Escrow agent's way of telling you that escrow failed to complete.

You're just hoping for the escrow agent to tell you this information long in advance rather than immediately in advance of the trade's completion.




How is that risk different than the risk that someone else gets there first? Besides, Johnny can simply sell to the next buy order or put up his own sell order for the items. If nobody buys, well, that's one of the risks you take with market seeding.


Yep, it allows newbie traders to compete in slower markets without running into as many liquidity traps. How dastardly.



Actually, I was saying that the markets are like a checkout counter, in that you can not have the money to pay for your shopping when you reach the counter, and as long as you don't try to leave with the items anyway, you have not committed an offense or tort. The store keeps its goods once it's known you don't have the means to pay, and you don't incur any liability, because the whole shebang is an offer to treat, not a contract.

I learned back when I was about 12 or 13 that if someone else offers you a bizarrely good deal for no obvious reason then you're about to get ripped off somehow. And that was just from my brother, never mind a stranger.

Kids today don't get no edumacation

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Hey! I run missions...and I am a fat greedy bastard in real life....

By the sound of it, that wizardry is mainly applied to the “estimated value” of an item, which is universe-wide rather than based on any particular region. It probably just involves a simple mean/median bias analysis of all markets and chopping off a bunch of outliers.

I don't have any real reason to look into how the estimated value works, so until someone posts an easy to digest writeup, it'll have to remain wizardry to me.

This is what happens when you tell every idiot kid that it's special. You get threads like these