Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You get carebears to pvp by shooting them, whether or not they react appropriately is entirely up to them.

Here's the point the OP is missing: They just aren't interested.

I ran a carebear-heavy corporation for a while. I have several friends that play Eve and are highsec bears. I'm very familiar with the mind of the typical bear. I have tried to entice them into combat (free ships, free mods, implant replacements, etc.) It doesn't work.

They're carebears for a reason. They simply are not interested in PvP. It does not matter what kind of shiny things you dangle in front of them, how much you nerf their bear lifestyle, or how you modify missions to be more like a real combat situation. All you will do is ultimately force them to leave the game.

Quite frankly, I like the carebears. They do all the mining, LP farming, and complex running so that faction stuff is cheap.

Making PvP more accessible to people who are interested is a good thing, but I have found that people who want to learn PvP have a wealth of information and support that never existed when I started my piracy career. Massive amounts of guides, practical fitting advice, corporations with SRPs and mentors, things like RvB where people can join and leave on a whim and never leave highsec.

yup true carebears wont pvp ever

so instead of try to force them to pvp , just make them more helpful for pvpers^^
increase their costs , they usually just hoard isk
make them to be targets ( still they shouldnt be scared off) by making low sec more comfortable for them
yup nerf the hell out of low sec "pirates", so carebears can run there daily , and then you have plenty of targets for pirates

not only empire bears hoard isk. Lots of 0.0 and probably a few low sec players could right now go out and buy a mommy + sitter alt and not miss the isk. CSAA owners generally are well off for example. Kind of need the tens of billions laying around to make the baby mommies and titans up front then sell em. For some their biggest financial worry is how to keep the RTM off the radar tbh.


Low sec pve gots its boost. It be the FW redo. Which if I am reading the warp stabs in plex whine threads correctly has attracted quite a few low-bears. I would look to FW as a possible solution to this but then you have the issue of the bear having to jump into pvp (sometimes) and dealing with sad RP'ing neckbeards. I wouldn't wish the latter on my worst enemy.

HODOR

it seems to me that its the pvp'ers who are crying their eyes out in this thread :D :D :D :D

Along the same lines, I suggest you start some threads about:

"How can we force traders to mine (even though they don't want to)?"

"How can we force faction warfare pilots to do planetary interaction (even though they don't want to)?"

"How can we force everyone to do the things I like to do (naturally without forcing me to do the things other people like to do)?"

Possibly followed by:

"How can we force CCP to keep Eve running after my brilliant ideas made 90% of the players leave?"

Nope, increasing the already higher income Low and Null sec space won't get bears like myself out there.

It comes down to the nature of pirate on bear PvP. I am not going to proactively either bait pirates, nor hunt bears of my own, because I don't enjoy either of those activities. Both of those options are boring to me, and frankly not worth the bother of doing them.

That puts me, and anyone else that prefers PvE content, on the defensive. The thing about defense in EVE is that it is an almost guaranteed lose. Without that initiative, attackers choose to engage or not, and of course they don't engage in a losing battle. This is where your bait comes in, and as I'm not really interested in killing pirates, I'm not baiting. If an attacker engages, it is because he knows he has brought the superior force and is all but guaranteed the win. Because of unbreakable, unlimited tackle, if I am engaged at all, I die. Without that I might try and inflict some damage and run... but that isn't an option unless someone has done something wrong. So my only viable tactic as a bear in PvP is simply to run before I am engaged.

The reason for this is because I don't have the same goals as the PvP pilot. I'm not looking for kills, bragging rights, or whatever else it is pirates get from PvP. I am looking to accomplish my own goals, which I cannot do while also running from pirates. So simply by existing and entering a system I am operating in, the pirate wins as far as I am concerned. Either he does not have the force, and so never engages, or he does and I allow him to engage then I die.

There is no point, as a bear doing bearish things, that PvP is in any way rewarding to me. As soon as I start gearing up for PvP I pretty much cease to be a bear. I don't mind needing to defend myself, but the nature of EVE's PvP makes it so that only one tactic works for that---run before I become engaged.

By extension, this puts anything I might want to do in Low Sec as not worth my time. I cannot be a bear in the presence of hostiles. Low Sec allows consequence free hostility. No matter what the rewards are, if I cannot accomplish the goal, the point of trying is moot.

EvE allows consequence free hostility at the moment, not just low sec, Null sov space however does give you better defensive options than the broken mechanic of concord. In null sec sov space we do anti-PvP, not PvP, ie, don't give gankers free kills. Some like Nikk will no doubt come and point out that this has made null sec sov space too safe, safer than high sec. And it's true, high sec isn't safe any more.

But it's all about players taking responsibility for their own ships and not relying on a broken mechanic like concord that no longer works as intended. The more non-PvPers we get out in null sec sov space doing good anti-PvP and not loosing a single ship to gankers the better. Now that's what messes up a gankers day.