Intergalactic Summit

There's always a risk when you have an idiot on the line that the idiot will figure out things have gone bad and swim off. It's a small risk with an idiot as big as Rella, but there nonetheless. Fortunately, the risk did not materialize.

Let's review:

Electus Whatever attacked an ally in response to political drama. The ally fought off the attack and declined to go further, suggesting instead that the distressed calm down.

Ms. Kim attacked an ally in response to political drama. The ally fought off the attack and declined to go further, suggesting instead that the distressed calm down.

It should be apparent to anyone who is not an idiot, which is to say, not a member of Electus Whatever, that the band of halfwits in question stands in the same position as Ms. Kim, thereby making it *particularly* delicious that the band of halfwits' quarter wit decided to inject her dumb ass in this more recent development. Hers is an organization so devoid of insight that it cannot even recognize the parallel between its own actions and the actions of those it chooses to project its remarkable social and intellectual failures upon.

Your "review" is purposefully reductive and your perspective obviously biased. Electus Matari didn't start the engagement in Colelie, the RSS fleet did, despite pleas from numerous parties including Electus Matari to stand down. True, in the heat of a battle they did not start, an Electus Matari fleet engaged Federation naval forces along with the RSS. This was done under direct orders from high ranking Republic commanders.

They later proceeded to make those orders public, and denounce them. But first they did their duty on the battlefield.

From where I stand, those are allies I'm proud to keep.

As for your comparison to Kim, it is almost as nonsensical as the woman herself. Kim's actions are part of no larger narrative than the fevered imaginings that feed her ego. Where the Matari have painfully begun to heal from their trauma, Kim has rejected every offered opportunity to do so.

Rehabilitation from an injury is not an easy process, nor without its setbacks. Even in the age of modern cellular regeneration therapy and cloned tissue transplants, learning to walk on a lost-and-replaced limb is not easy. I speak from personal experience. You have good days and bad days, moments when you go further and better than you managed before, days where you can barely stand up and stagger.

Is injury done to a culture expected to be any less traumatic or difficult to repair? The Amarr did metaphorically rip a few limbs off the Minmatar way of life, and went to great lengths to destroy their cultural heritage. Rehabilitation after such collective trauma should not be expected to be straightforward.

Every word you said in that sentence I quoted is correct. Your ironic tone is thoroughly inaccurate.

I'm not sure how this turned from a discussion of Diana Kim into a discussion of the untrustworthiness of the Republic/Electus Matari, but I'll roll with it.



There is a major difference between saying something and doing something, pilot Vero. While Electus Matari members stated that they were reluctant to fire, and that they were later regretful (and sometimes even sorrowful), that didn't stop them from actually pulling the trigger. Which, at the end of the day, is really all that matters. The Republic invaded the Federation (no matter how small the scale in comparison to the other things going on in the cluster). They fired upon Federation Naval vessels, and killed Federation citizens numbering in the tens of thousands. Electus Matari participated in this, and afterwards stated that they would continue to do their duty in supporting the Republic should it invade the Federation again.

I really don't see how that's any different than what pilot Kim did here, and I feel that Pyre's response is entirely appropriate.



Now this is an interesting driblette. I've heard the argument that the Federation should forgive the attack because the Amarr Empire is the greater threat, but I haven't heard the argument that the Federation should forgive the attack because the Amarr Empire constantly insult the Minmatar.

In all fairness, they don't really seem to throw these sorts of insults at the Amattar. Nor do they particularly go out of their way to insult Federation Matari. Sounds like what they're really doing is insulting the Republic, which is a different barnyard animal entirely.

The difference is that EM have expressed remorse, reluctance, and the hope never to find themselves in such a situation ever again.

Kim meanwhile has continued to lie, belittle, and decline to accept responsibility for her actions.

Your point seems to be that deed is more important than motive. But deeds are only the realisation of a motive, not somehow distinct and separate from them. If we are to look at two effectively identical actions, then the deciding factor about how we respond to each must be the motives which inspired them.

Duty is a motive which commands respect. Hatred is not.

When are you quitting, then?

Lest I be accused of taking a cheap shot (which I did, but that's neither here nor there), I do have a serious point: Who am I to call your ideal broken, right?

Well, who are you to call theirs broken?

And why destroy what is broken that can be repaired?

I regret (nearly) every single life I have been forced to take in defence of the State. Despite my relative newness to the Militia and to space in general (stlll less t han a year) it is a heartbreakingly large number.

Nontheless I am judged on my actions more than my feellings regarding them.

Shintoko Akahoshi was only a sometime member of Pyre Falcon (although a valued colleague during her service.) I would be surprised if she was responsible for the deaths of more than a hundred FDU Militia crew while she was with us. I suspect the actual number to be much lower than that.

An Electus Matari pilot who took part in the destruction of even a single Moros class Dreadnought is responsible for the deaths of a hundred times that number of people. I'm not judging them for what they did, beyond saying that it was their duty and that I've been in the same place myself. There is a reason why I never tabulated the full number of Federation Navy crew whose deaths I participated directly in at the Third Battle of Caldari Prime. Nontheless, to apply some sort of equivalence in this case is foolish and for more than the reasons Shintoko herself lists in her thread.

Lie? Point where. Well, fun thing to say about in a thread, full of lies of others about me. Even your own. In this exact line. Because, unlike you, I can accept what does it take to kill someone. I can kill others, but on other hand, I am prepared to take the responsibility and be killed for what I do.

And, my dear enemies. You can hide yourself in your precious Federation space. You can send your spies into our militia. You can disguise yourself among our ranks. You can run away looking for empty systems to live. But know this: while I am alive, there will be no safe place for you.

All enemies of the State will die.

I believe at this stage, the fact that Kim-guri suffers from mental illness is evident. Whether the emotions the woman elicits is pity, scorn, anger or revulsion it should be noted that she does not speak with their wits or senses. Kim-guri suffers from the delusions that she is not in fact a criminal terrorist for their support of Tibus Heth and the Templis Dragonaurs in addition to the paranoia that enemies exist under every rock when in fact they exist only in the fevers of their own imagination. There can be no negotiating with political extremists and terrorists like Kim-guri for in knowing only hatred, intolerance and violence they become incapable of introspection or compromise.

There is no difference between Diana Kim and the Templis Dragonaurs; Matari insurgent terror cells; or Gallentean eco-warriors. They believe only in the advancement of their political agendas through violence and intimidation. The most effective method to disabuse such thinking is simply to remain resolute to ones own convictions in the face of it.

I believe this communique has served its purpose in making it clear that myself and the Pyre Falcon Defence Combine shall remain steadfast in armed service to the Caldari State through principled and measured actions against its enemies. Even if those enemies are nothing more than Provists who believe the tin-pot ranks of a militia will grant legitimacy and credence to their ignorant violence, or whom just like their Dear Leader Tibus Heth believe that their present irrelevancy is due to the majority of Caldari citizens having betrayed them when in fact it was they who rejected everything that it means to be a citizen of the State in the first instance.

Nothing further needs to be said.

There's nothing "monstrous" about being able to kill and not care. On the contrary, to do so is very, very human We're internecine predators by our very nature. The fact that we're even capable of killing our own at all is testament to that.

You have to remember that for all we plug it into giant warships nowadays and send copies of it zipping about the place on quantum wings, the human brain presumably evolved in the unrelenting dirt and death of a planetary ecosystem, long ago. We're well attuned for chaos and slaughter. We thrive on them.

So no, there's nothing monstrous about callousness, unless you believe that humanity is monstrous. If we hold ourselves to a higher standard, then that's good, but let's not get all melancholy over our nature. Accept what you are, and strive to be something more. I'm not saying that callousness is good, just that it's a part of our psyche and needs to be recognised for what it is: integral to the human brain, rather than some leeching alien impulse.