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The Zimmerman and EVE

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-07-19 15:20:22 UTC
The federal racists can still press civil rights charges against him and are in-fact seeking information to help them do so. (I guess a full FBI investigation, a state case, and drag-net through his entire life wasn't enough.)

I would assume they know nothing would stick, so they'll say how hard they are trying to their ignorant racist base until mid-term election time.
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-07-19 22:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
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President Obama, making a surprise appearance on Friday in the White House briefing room to address the verdict in the Trayvon Martin killing, spoke in personal terms about the experience of being a black man in the United States, trying to put the case in the perspective of African-Americans. They were Mr. Obama’s most extensive comments on race since 2008, and his most extensive as president.


Translation: Well 'merica, the polls have shown that less than 25% of you actually bought our heavy-handed propaganda piece about this case being racially motivated. But.... I'm gunna make sure I do everything in my power to keep the flames of hate burning as long as possible.

Anything to keep all the other terrible **** I've done out of the news is great in my book!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-07-19 23:17:15 UTC
The only way we can solve this is with a dog fight!

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Pulgy
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-07-20 00:12:55 UTC
The tinfoil is strong around here.
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-07-20 00:17:10 UTC
Didn't realize they broadcast conspiracies on live TV now.
Fernando MRuiz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-07-20 04:53:28 UTC
Pulgy wrote:
The tinfoil is strong around here.


...that reminds me, I knew I forgot something when I bought groceries on the way home today.

Look, I don't like the verdict either. As far as my opinion goes, the end result was 'guy with handgun kills teenager with bare fists and gets away with it.' That's just all this blustering is, though: an opinion. Sure I was pissed when Zimmerman's verdict was announced, and it took a couple of days to get over it, but I did.

I don't even pay attention to the Tinfoil Brigade anymore, though. I'm just upset I didn't think to buy stock in Reynolds Group Holdings.

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#47 - 2013-07-20 06:12:09 UTC
Fernando MRuiz wrote:


Look, I don't like the verdict either. As far as my opinion goes, the end result was 'guy with handgun kills teenager with bare fists and gets away with it.' That's just all this blustering is, though: an opinion. Sure I was pissed when Zimmerman's verdict was announced, and it took a couple of days to get over it, but I did.


Why didn't you like the verdict? Why do you oppose the right to self defence when someone attacks, takes the victim down and starts pounding on the head (as was proven by witnesses and injuries on Zimmerman)? As for calling Martin "teenager", well, technically true, but he was quite big, in good shape, trained and if someone of his caliber assaulted me, I would need a gun to defend my life (a gun which I do not have).

So yeah. What made you dislike the verdict?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-07-20 12:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Doesn't an act of racism typically require one white Caucasian and one none-white Caucasian? If a Latino shoots an African American after an altercation does it make a Raciest thud? It seems to be happening all of the time (and visa versa) in both our inner cities as well as around the world.




I feel like I am qualified to say stuff like this because I play a black man in an interweb spaceships game.

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#49 - 2013-07-20 13:30:48 UTC
Interestingly enough the race hustlers (Sharpton, Jackson, Obama et al) did not see it fit to start their game back when Roderick Scott shot Cristopher Cervini in self defence. I wonder why. /sarcasm

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-07-20 19:22:32 UTC
Fernando MRuiz wrote:

Look, I don't like the verdict either. As far as my opinion goes, the end result was 'guy with handgun kills teenager with bare fists and gets away with it.'


So, in other words, you listened to the race-baiters and self-flagellating liberals and ignored all the evidence?
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-07-21 13:16:07 UTC
I don't care about any of it. I hear the racist card being played so often I just tune it all out....

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#52 - 2013-07-22 02:25:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doesn't an act of racism typically require one white Caucasian and one none-white Caucasian? If a Latino shoots an African American after an altercation does it make a Raciest thud? It seems to be happening all of the time (and visa versa) in both our inner cities as well as around the world.




I feel like I am qualified to say stuff like this because I play a black man in an interweb spaceships game.

Racism sounds like it works differently on that side of the pond. Over here we know racism can be any race against any other race. My grandfather for instance had a fair bit against him because he was white and served in Africa. Same with my mother and grandmother for being German in Britain, mainly Poles for the worst part.

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Adunh Slavy
#53 - 2013-07-22 05:01:28 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doesn't an act of racism typically require one white Caucasian and one none-white Caucasian?

Racism sounds like it works differently on that side of the pond.



He was being sarcastic :)

You do have one group in England that attempts the same tactics, the tactics used by whiney left media and race baiting professionals of the US. Ya'll have a noisy contingent of folks from the middle east that behave in almost exactly the same way - professional victims using group identification.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#54 - 2013-07-22 05:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doesn't an act of racism typically require one white Caucasian and one none-white Caucasian?

Racism sounds like it works differently on that side of the pond.



He was being sarcastic :)

You do have one group in England that attempts the same tactics, the tactics used by whiney left media and race baiting professionals of the US. Ya'll have a noisy contingent of folks from the middle east that behave in almost exactly the same way - professional victims using group identification.

Americans and identity politics, you guys lost me at [geographic location] American and I respectfully bowed out of the debate.

Especially the Caucasian thing, fairly large amount of the Easter Europeans would take offence at being called that Lol

Also not English P

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Adunh Slavy
#55 - 2013-07-22 06:41:26 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

Also not English P



Ok, your "other side of the pond" was misleading :)

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Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#56 - 2013-07-22 12:46:15 UTC
Tumahub wrote:
I don't get the "jury are idiots," narrative at all. They were presented with the factual evidence and two competing narratives of the events. They came to the conclusion that the evidence of Z's injuries, the lack of injuries on Martin, and the location of the fight to more closely corroborate the claim that Z was attacked and beaten before he shot Martin in self-defense. That more that eclipses the requisite "reasonable doubt."

So what on earth are you talking about OP?


Yeah I can see where some can get detracted by that line, what I am saying is that even idiots along with jurors A B & C can be selected to serve on the jury, essentially jury selection is a toss up, it can work in your favor or against you depending on the selection. (Jury Selection is like a box of chocolates you never know what you're gonna get).
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#57 - 2013-07-22 14:44:03 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

Also not English P



Ok, your "other side of the pond" was misleading :)

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-07-22 18:29:06 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
Yeah I can see where some can get detracted by that line, what I am saying is that even idiots along with jurors A B & C can be selected to serve on the jury, essentially jury selection is a toss up, it can work in your favor or against you depending on the selection. (Jury Selection is like a box of chocolates you never know what you're gonna get).


While I don't pretend to elevate the state's judicial process to the level of perfection, that's not exactly a fair explanation of the trial in question.

The prosecution and defense both agree on who fills the jury. I don't think either camp would desire a stupid juror, or at least would not screen for IQ. What they're looking for are social biases. The prosecution probably banked on the fact that women are overwhelmingly liberal-leaning and hoped that liberal feelings about social injustice and discrimination would allow them to pain Zimmerman in a racist light more effectively. I don't know what the defense could have hoped to gain by giving the go-ahead to that jury pool, but their case was clearly made to the jury.

In terms of what the jury has to do, it isn't exactly rocket-science. They're presented with the law in question which the accused is being tried as in violation of. They are witness to all the testimony, evidence, and appeals by the lawyers. Then they are instructed to render a verdict as to whether or not the law in question was, beyond a reasonable doubt, violated.

So it doesn't really matter how intellectually inclined the jurors are. They're simply deciding, in a matter of fact way, whether or not the description of events matches the accusations. They did not and thus Zimmerman was acquitted.
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-23 14:04:00 UTC
Was Zimmerman guilty of the crimes he was charged with? No. Police and local prosecutors declined to prosecute because they saw the clear evidence of self-defense.

Once Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and began beating him, anything else Zimmerman may have done up to that point didn't matter. Racism had zero to do with whether or not the shooting was in self-defense, and as that was Zimmerman's defense in the trial everything rightly turned upon the evidence for or against self-defense. The verdict was correct.

Should Zimmerman have confronted Trayvon? No. If Zimmerman had not put himself in that position, he wouldn't have had to make the choice to shoot. Trayvon would still be alive. Trayvon's blood is on Zimmerman's hands, and he will have to answer for it to a higher authority. Zimmerman killed in self-defense, but he created the situation in which he would need to kill.

If anything, the laws need to be tuned to address this. Perhaps the Stand Your Ground law in Florida could be adjusted, but I doubt anyone is wise enough to adjust the law properly. Nor would it matter if it could, in this case.
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-07-24 22:54:53 UTC
i didnt bother to read what your talking about

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