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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-07-24 19:43:40 UTC
Bloody Slave wrote:
Kalishka Askulf wrote:
blah, blah, blah...


By Bloody Slave's poor understanding, you said: "I have lots of isk, my wallet is huge, I'm a mogul, this business is mine and you will not get it, I'm right and you are wrong and I will keep trying to argue with you even if I don't make any sense"

If you really have lots of money as you think you have, how about pay a mercenary Corp to bring the said annoying competitor's corpse for you inside Jita 4/4 this is EVE Online, not the other games you are used to grind and farm, you know?

Anyways, neither me or any other reasonable readers of this forum will waste their time with your "counter points" . Good riddance.

Heh, Bloody Slave and his replies as well as this thread is nothing more than a Bloody Troll which I'm very tempted to 'Report'.. Not to mention my posted reply in this thread proves him to be a liar as well.

Kalishka Askulf wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
I was really excited by bounties, finally a system that works, and a means for players to get indirect revenge on those that wronged them. More importantly, it would finally allow the bounty hunter profession, which CCP has been advertising FOREVER, to become a reality.

However, with everyone bountied, its completely useless. It boils down to nothing more than an tiny extra bit of isk from anyone you randomly kill, and bragging rights (btw, my bounty is bigger than your bounty! Blink). Those at the top of the bounty hunter list didn't get there by actively hunting down worthy prey, they did so at complete random, lucking out by killing targets with high bounty in a shiny ship. The bounty hunter profession is still dead.

The only good thing has been transferable kill rights, but ultimately i'd argue that its only helped the highsec gankers rather than hinder them (feel free to post if you feel this is wrong, and why). I mean, they get a share of their own bounty for gods sake!

Personally, i believe that those that follow the law, and have a high security standing, should be completely immune from bounties. Only those that flaunt the law and walk the darkside of EvE should have to deal with them.

But as it stands, we should all just get used to all of new eden being WANTED.


Highlighted the point I want to discuss.

A bounty is given by other players, not by concord or through reflection of security status. bounties are (as I pointed out earlier) just a way of letting people know that to someone, you are worth more dead than alive. Someone (for whatever reason) wishes you to be pursued during your exploits, even if it's just mining Veldspar Blink

It's not about if you break the law or not. It's about how you have affected another player. Or, it is about how another player wishes to affect you. Concord etc are for lawbreakers. Bounties don't take the law into account. Rightly so as they are not designed exclusively for law disputes


The only bounty Concord ever issued was on Pirate NPC's, courtesy of DED. Even though players can place a bounty on other players it is still being endorsed by Concord. If it wasn't, you wouldn't get a notification mail message from Concord announcing it, you wouldn't see a wanted sign on your character portrait and you wouldn't see a bounty amount in your character's information sheet.

In the past, Concord only endorsed a bounty on a character that had a negative security status. Concord would not endorse a bounty being placed on law abiding citizens of New Eden that had a neutral or positive security status. That led to assassination contracts via Black Market / private party deals with player run Merc Corps.

In the past, Negative security status Characters flashing red in local with a 'WANTED' sign and massive bounty on them was a sight to behold which often induced feelings of terror and apprehension. True Pirates viewed that as a symbol of high standing among their peers, sorta like a 'Badge Of Honor'.

Presently, the new bounty mechanic is FUBAR to the max. It basically turned the 'Bounty Office' into a useless station service icon. Instead of having to find a station offering the 'Bounty Office' service, players can now install a bounty on another player anywhere at anytime they want. It definitely didn't do anything for the Bounty Hunter Career Path. For the most part it is now nothing more than an ISK sink, especially since almost everyone and their mothers have a 'WANTED' sign on them now. It's definitely immersion breaking when high security status players have a bounty being publicly displayed. In fact, the 'WANTED' signs are now becoming easily overlooked and dismissed due to being commonplace. It is no longer a thing to be feared or dreaded.

The only good thing about the new bounty mechanic is that the Player Pirates can no longer get rich from the payouts on their own bounties.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Azurae
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-07-24 19:47:59 UTC
Bloody Slave wrote:
Do you have a bounty on your head?

No? Why not? Care to explain?

Now, to the ones that can read past the 10 first letters of a sentence:

Lets suppose what is written in my Bio is the truth and I can only fly cheap ships with this toon, mostly shuttles, how much you think you will get from my bounty pool (ATM 37M isk) if you manage to kill me? To help you on maths, if you get me on the Tornado I will give for 1 (and only 1) person of the fleet a mere 3.8M isk.

Now, on the other hand, I can put bounties on everyone but the ones that the name starts with CCP (I tried but they have many contacts on CONCORD, to say the least).

You really don't care about bounties? Neither I do. So, what's the point on OP? I will try to explain if you didn't get it already:

1st of all, I really love my mustache and I want to show it. Think about the thousands of code lines to create a character generator as good as we have in EVE being wasted just because some other team think is cool their 10 code lines on that "wonderful" WANTED label above my portrait (and yours too).

Are you WANTED?

Lets discuss this, be my guest.


so you want a Wanted sign in the forums so we dont have to endure your mustache? sounds like a great idea, i'm all for it
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-07-24 19:47:59 UTC
Zoom out man; let them see the whole package.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-07-24 19:48:43 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ubat Batuk keeps placing bounty on me. I really don't know why.
A direct donation to TEST, N3, etc. would probably be more effective.

Bounty placed on you
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.02.09 19:33

Ubat Batuk placed 50,000,000 ISK in bounty on your head.

Bounty placed on you
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.02.09 19:36

Ubat Batuk placed 300,000,000 ISK in bounty on your head.

Bounty placed on you
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.05.06 14:13

Ubat Batuk placed 100,000,000 ISK in bounty on your head.

Bounty placed on you
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.06.11 22:44

Ubat Batuk placed 50,000,000 ISK in bounty on your head.

Bounty placed on you
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.06.30 15:55

Ubat Batuk placed 50,000,000 ISK in bounty on your head.

Bounty placed on you
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.07.17 20:01

Ubat Batuk placed 50,000,000 ISK in bounty on your head.



Seems like you have a secret fan out there-any backstory to this?

edit: dang, I suck at reading- you already said that you don't know why. But maybe you should write that nice young lady an evemail then and ask her?

I figured out why. Here's the backstory.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2013-07-24 19:49:57 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
YAY!

Thank you Bloody Slave for the 111.111 bounty.

But I fear it will not last very long unless I suddenly become good at eve and stop dying all the time.


I hope so.Smile

Well, that amount will not put the bounty hunters on you tail even if they exist (I doubt it tho).

Some ppl simply don't understand this broken mechanic (neither I do, TBH). Some guys come here and say that only if I'm flying a shiny stuff I will be hunted, what shiny stuff they need to get 30M, it seems none of them had a single kill mail after these changes - Pend Insurance Estimate on a Machariel -> 20% -> 10.9M isk...

Really? Someone will hunt me on my Mach just because that 10M isk or would be by the KM, the chances of dropping fancy mods or just for the fun of blasting it?

Guy started today and just went from Todaki's station for the 1st tutorial and, if I WANT, I can put a bounty on him and make his experience even more harsh (everyone knows EVE is not that friendly with newbies, right?)

I can go on the Char bazaar forum and spread bounties all over there, and just because... just because....

Just because: I can!

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Zodiac TheMarketRat
Misanthropic Anthropomorphic Anthropologists
#66 - 2013-07-24 19:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zodiac TheMarketRat
600m isk bounty in total? That's pretty amazing.

I don't have a bounty. I don't really want one, but only because I don't like the massive "WANTED" splattered across the portrait. I'm sure I'll get one from posting here, but oh well. :-)

The bounty system just doesn't work. It's better than what we had, but it isn't satisfying, it doesn't guarantee that any action will be taken, poses no real danger, etc., etc., all those reasons that have been beaten to death. All it does is muck up one's portrait.

Is there anyone at all that goes bounty hunting? As far as I can tell, bounties have no effect on who you engage in combat. You pew for the sake of pew (getting kills, wanting loot, defending your space, FW combat, etc.) Getting a bounty payout is just a little cherry on top, nothing more, not any kind of a primary driver of PvP.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#67 - 2013-07-24 19:53:36 UTC
I had to add something from myself, because all ones are not looking good, and i can pretend now, that I am a pirate. Yarr.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-07-24 19:54:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I figured out why. Here's the backstory.


Somewhat of an anti-climax.
I was hoping for some glorious tale of backstabbing space-villainy.
Meh.

But thanks for digging this out, anyway.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-07-24 19:59:34 UTC
Zodiac TheMarketRat wrote:
600m isk bounty in total? That's pretty amazing.

I don't have a bounty. I don't really want one, but only because I don't like the massive "WANTED" splattered across the portrait. I'm sure I'll get one from posting here, but oh well. :-)

The bounty system just doesn't work. It's better than what we had, but it isn't satisfying, it doesn't guarantee that any action will be taken, poses no real danger, etc., etc., all those reasons that have been beaten to death. All it does is muck up one's portrait.

Is there anyone at all that goes bounty hunting? As far as I can tell, bounties have no effect on who you engage in combat. You pew for the sake of pew (getting kills, wanting loot, defending your space, FW combat, etc.) Getting a bounty payout is just a little cherry on top, nothing more, not any kind of a primary driver of PvP.


Sorry, could not make any exception, you know. Anyways, the way it is going you would be labeled for any reason or no reason at all soon, very soon.Cry

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#70 - 2013-07-24 20:18:07 UTC
I am wanted because of stuff I say on the forums. Last I checked, was up to 21 million. Twisted This is just a forum alt, so I find it funny when I get them added.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-07-24 20:35:40 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Not to mention my posted reply in this thread proves him to be a liar as well.



So, you are Kalishka Askulf?

The same person that write:

Kalishka Askulf wrote:
I put a bounty on someone for undercutting me on a batch of shuttles in a well trafficked area, I see no problem with the bounty system as it stand.


and write:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Presently, the new bounty mechanic is FUBAR to the max.


I'm simply asking a question, it's obvious. I will not copy and paste all stuff you said on your wall of text just to get to the point, shall we?

Let's hope the MODERATOR read everything you wrote here and decide what to do to benefit the whole community instead of inflating the ego of someone that use all mechanics the game and forum provides to stop other players from doing something that they don't like.

Try to silence my voice

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-07-24 21:04:27 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Zoom out man; let them see the whole package.


Hahaha, Keanu, is that you?

Can't do it, not at this time.Lol

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#73 - 2013-07-24 21:09:15 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Heh, Bloody Slave and his replies as well as this thread is nothing more than a Bloody Troll which I'm very tempted to 'Report'..

Won't get you anywhere.
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-07-24 21:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: MacKael
no, dont care, its a pointless sytems. it does nothing. tried explaining it to people they are under the impression if you kill them you get the whole bounty. but lolz opps its not that way. its a % of hull of ship. WTF how is that a bounty system. imagine a real bounty hunter getting paid for a % of the guys clothes for killing him. do you think bounty hunting would have lasted long in those days?




:edit: ohh yeah and please place as big of a bounty on me as your tiny wallet will allow. it would amuze me very much.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-07-24 21:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Slave
MacKael wrote:
no, dont care, its a pointless sytems. it does nothing. tried explaining it to people they are under the impression if you kill them you get the whole bounty. but lolz opps its not that way. its a % of hull of ship. WTF how is that a bounty system. imagine a real bounty hunter getting paid for a % of the guys clothes for killing him. do you think bounty hunting would have lasted long in those days?




:edit: ohh yeah and please place as big of a bounty on me as your tiny wallet will allow. it would amuze me very much.


Exactly. And if you have a partner doing the job and he does the backstab on the prey only him can take the shoes. Blink

Edit: Forgot the bounty, receiving the same as everyone but don't worry, the label is as much red as one with 20B isk

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-07-24 22:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Bloody Slave wrote:
So, you are Kalishka Askulf?

The same person that write:

Kalishka Askulf wrote:
I put a bounty on someone for undercutting me on a batch of shuttles in a well trafficked area, I see no problem with the bounty system as it stand.


and write:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Presently, the new bounty mechanic is FUBAR to the max.


I'm simply asking a question, it's obvious. I will not copy and paste all stuff you said on your wall of text just to get to the point, shall we?

Let's hope the MODERATOR read everything you wrote here and decide what to do to benefit the whole community instead of inflating the ego of someone that use all mechanics the game and forum provides to stop other players from doing something that they don't like.

Try to silence my voice

I'm happy to inform you that you're wrong ............. again.

I don't know who Kalishka Askulf is and quite frankly, I don't care if you did submit a report. I stand by everything I said 100%.

Since you insist, it'll be my pleasure to oblige your request to help silence your voice.

Plastic Psycho wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Heh, Bloody Slave and his replies as well as this thread is nothing more than a Bloody Troll which I'm very tempted to 'Report'..

Won't get you anywhere.

Bloody Slave alt detected.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-07-24 22:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Chin MonWang
ha, tell me about it. some creep in the past placing bounty on me to be funny(???) next I am rejected by any groups I applied to join (thinking i am some backstabber or so, though my stats are superb positive?) well, f%%% them, I like solo more anyway hahaha..(ended up being membersome food store, dont even know why)
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2013-07-24 22:42:47 UTC
When I started playing eve online, It was mostly for their lauded character creator. I carefully read each race, and their sub-races, and I selected True Amarrian after lengthy internal debate, then I very carefully shaped the facial structure to my exact specifications, lined up the tattoo just right, added a scar for good measure... then CCP changes the bounty system and some SHITLORD bounties me? REALLY? Un-freaking-believable.
Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-07-24 22:46:48 UTC
--> Zodiac posting #66: give me the ok and I will place 300 mil ISK as bounty on you. only if you REALY want that I will. But again, see my previous posting: having bounty on one in practice can be experienced as 'quite unpleasant"
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-07-24 22:47:43 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Bloody Slave alt detected.



DMC


Hahaha, do you really think the moderator don't have access to the registry of every single account on EVE or, at least, to ask a GM to look upon it?

OMG, I feel sorry for you, bro.

Perhaps all other folks that agree with me here are all my Alts as well in your vision...

I don't know what is bigger: your ego, your wallet or my handsomeness. Blink

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)